What do YOU grade it? 1831 bust half.

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  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    AU58, maybe higher if I had the benefit of in-hand examination and tilting. With what's here, I can't identify what's going on with the curls. As usual, with me as the grader (or a bidder), color gains you exactly NOTHING.
     
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  4. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I would call it AU-58 with a chance of 62.
     
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  5. Sullysullinburg

    Sullysullinburg Well-Known Member

    AU-55 or AU-58.
     
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  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    If those curls spots are unstruck areas and not wear, I could go 63.
     
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  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    To me:
    Obverse looks AU58
    Reverse looks MS63
     
  8. Paddy54

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  9. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    My gut said AU-55, but I see enough unbroken luster for a 58. The toning looks like it came from an old ANACS holder.

    It is not MS. Not at all. The change in color at the high points signifies a reduction in spectral reflectivity of struck coins (aka luster), which will not reflect light strongly enough through the patina to get colorful hues. It could aldo be argued that the patina was simply worn off, but then you have wear, so either way it is a circulated coin.
     
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  10. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    an uneducated guess of MS-63
     
  11. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    AU-55...on the wrong day it gets bumped to 58.
     
  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Does that mean it SHOULDN'T be a 58, in your opinion?
     
  13. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser I may be old but I still appreciate a pretty bust Supporter

    Correct...too much rub for 58, IMO, but that's how they seem to get graded today.
     
  14. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

  15. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    How exactly are we so sure we are seeing "rub" from a 2-dimensional photograph?
     
  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Color change on the high points
     
  17. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    At first glance I thought 58. And then I read everyone's comments.
    It's hard to grade this MS, I think it circulated a little. Lot of bag marks and minor scratches. Wear on the hat and hair. I mean it's a beautiful coin anyone would love to have. Do you believe this color is natural toning?
     
  18. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I'm going to say again 55 but detailed graffiti on the Rev. EPU !
    Someone tryed to fix a weak strike / strike thru ? by filling in the missing letters.
    Nice coin but details
     
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  20. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

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  21. hchcoin

    hchcoin Active Member

    That is a really tough coin to grade from a picture. I would really want to examine the coin in hand. I collect bust coins and don't see a ton with this color. I would be worried the toning is trying to hide some underlying issues. If there are no issues, it is easily an AU coin as mentioned earlier. I would also take a closer look at the PLURI section. Good eye. I also agree with the comment regarding wanting to see the coin to examine the curls.

    I just know too many people who take a details bust coin and put it in an envelope or other environment to try and cover stuff up. It is amazing what a couple years on a window shelf can do with the right conditions and envelope. I actually find this coin to be very attractive with the toning.
     
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