Never seen this PCGS holder before.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by C-B-D, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Looks like a cross between the Rattler and Gen 2? Anybody know any info on it?
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I BELIEVE I have one of these, but I'm not near my stash.
     
  4. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    That is simply a Gen 2.1 with a missing outer ring. Some people have taken these Gen 2.1 and 2.2's, removed the outer rings to repair or replace the rings on the Doily holders.
     
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  5. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Here's the exact generation with the ring in tact.

    1882-CC-Morgan-Dollar-PCGS-MS-63-Slab-Front.jpg 1882-CC-Morgan-Dollar-PCGS-MS-63-Slab-Back.jpg
     
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  6. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    What @C-B-D said.

    The next generation had a very similar look, but the ring is part of the shell not an add-on piece. If you - very gently - poke a finger nail between the purported pieces, you will feel a little give on the multi-piece shells.
     
  7. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    What? I don't understand...
     
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  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Good, I was afraid I was the only one not sure.
     
  9. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    The ring is a third part to the holder. The holder is very similar to the rattler that preceded it. PCGS calls it a "Collar" that surrounds a 2 part holder.

    Pale Green Perforated Label
    • Plastic collar surrounds 2-part holder
    • PCGS logo in plastic on collar at bottom right
    • Pale green perforated cardboard stock
    • "PCGS" sometimes appears on the top of label
    The doily pattern is replaced with solid light green label. Transitional and used very briefly. Scarce.
     
  10. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    So it's a compromised holder, then?
     
  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Think of it this way. PCGS took the rattler holder, then added a third part, a plastic collar that surrounded the rattler. They did this to help with the security of the holder as well as making them interlocking when stacked. This design did not last long and is what makes up the PCGS Generation 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2 holders.
     
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  12. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Sort of. The holder is still sealed together in the way that a rattler is sealed. The outer collar is a second sealed layer to the holder. So it is compromised in that it is missing the outer collar.
     
  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    If you notice in your OP, that the coin is a very common MS-63 1886 Morgan Dollar. More than likely what happened is, someone pried the collar apart and used it to replace a broken collar on a Doily. Because Doily's are so collectable it makes sense to repair them using parts from a less collectable holder such as the 2.1 and 2.2. I've never done this myself, but have heard of it being done.
     
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  14. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I did not know that!
     
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  15. BooksB4Coins

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    PCGS now has a "history" section on their website that may interest you, and this is aside from the work others have done that can be found on different forums (start with CU).
     
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