Faustina I denarius with a pedigree

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  1. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Interesting post @Roman Collector ! I have a few pedigree items but these are my most interesting.

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  4. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    I recognize that handwriting! I have several coins from that collection. ANE bought hundreds and there were several hundred more that went out to other dealers. Probably dispersed about 10 years ago. I've yet to figure out who the collector was. I think Sveto still has about 50 coins. Most came with a small photo of the coin cut in a circle the exact same size as the coin.
     
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  5. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Not the best coin in my collection of Flavian's but one with a great history of ownership

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    RIC 1237 Vespasian
    IMP CAES VESPASIAN AVG COS VIII PP
    Laureate head of Vespasian right

    SC
    Eagle standing facing on globe, head right, wings spread

    Lugdunum mint

    77-78 AD

    8.77g


    RIC 1237 (C3); Sear 2362

    From the collection of Gordon Wyatt Goldfinch (1895-1918) of Elfindale Road, London.
    With hand written old ticket citing #209 collection number.
    Ex-Artancient Ltd.

    Private Goldfinch was a passionate collector of Imperial Roman coinage. His personal catalog of coins dates to August 1910 when he was just 15 years of age. Goldfinch volunteered for service in 1914 with the 2nd London Field Ambulance, Royal Army Medical Corps. He died in service on March 28th, 1918 at the age of 23.
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It would be nice to know the provenance.
     
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  7. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Thanks, guys for posting those pictures of the old, pen written paper envelopes of the ancient coins. I started collecting ancients ca. 1960 and they all came that way. I had forgotten how simple, yet comforting, ancients were once marketed. I am sorry now that I threw away all those old envelopes years ago.
     
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  8. Numinaut

    Numinaut Active Member

    I purchased this around 1990, but I can't remember from whom or have information on the tag. How would you translate "Heidend pferd?" "Heaving horse" maybe?
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  9. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Alas, no Stoecklin wins for me, but man, there were some fine fine coins in that collection.

    This Vespasian came with three tags.
    Vespasian - Divus Double Capricorn Neussel 2574.jpg Vespasian - Double Capricorn 2574 tag.JPG

    Another Vespasian, this one from the Hilbrecht Hommel collection, with a tag noting that it was purchased on 15 Feb 1943.
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    And BCD's tags and hand-cut polaroids of his coins are always a nice bonus.
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's not an H -- it's a W.
    Weidend Pferd = grazing horse.

    But that's a really cool old collection tag and a GORGEOUS coin!
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I love those old collection tags! And who doesn't appreciate a BCD polaroid?
     
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  12. Numinaut

    Numinaut Active Member

    Thank you, I know I got the coin at a FUN show, just can't remember the dealer. And for my linguistics question of the day: How did we get from the German "Pferd" to the English "Horse?" Not from the Latin Equus or Caballus?
     
  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Probably related to the OTHER German word for horse: Ross.
     
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  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Yes it is. Old English 'hors', Proto Germanic 'ros' , German 'ross'
     
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  15. Numinaut

    Numinaut Active Member

    Thank you both! I wonder that I only found Coin Talk a few months ago. Just a simple request to “Post your coins with old collector tags!” got me to pull out an old coin that was languishing in a drawer and start my mind wandering on a million subjects:
    Where did I get it? Who owned it before? How to translate the German? What is the etymology of the word “horse?” It says 120 Marks on the back, that wasn’t much, maybe 30 bucks in 1990? Don't know - big dollar devaluation going on back in late '80s. When was 120 marks a good price for these coins? Did I overpay at $400? Don’t really care, the coin has brought a lot of pleasure for 30 years. The faded tag and fountain pen writing must mean it’s old, but I remember we used fountain pens in junior high back in the early ‘60s, even though the bic pen was ubiquitous. Was that just a fad at the time because it was cool, or might it mean I just caught the tail end of the age of penmanship?
    It goes on and on, and that is just me. Now I'm thinking about all the other hands the coin has passed through in 2,400 years and what all those people thought about when they looked at it. Amazing!
     
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  16. Numinaut

    Numinaut Active Member

    Here is a joke I found in the book “Farewell to the Horse”:

    “To get a sense of how people generally perceive the difference between Pferd [‘horse’ in northern Germany] and Ross [‘horse’ in southern Germany], let me tell you a story: on a manoeuvre down in Swabia, a Prussian gunner, a driver, comes to the billets with his two horses. The Prussian says to his host, who greets him kindly, “Now you take your Rosse out of the stable and make space for these Pferde!” (riotous laughter)”.
     
  17. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    This is hilarious! And I say that with with respect as it really mirrors my own thought process as well. I might begin by thinking about the methods of coin production but before I know it I am wondering about the best method for cooking an artichoke! Honestly.
     
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  18. Numinaut

    Numinaut Active Member

    You are so right! This just cracked me up, because I should be working, but Coin Talk is getting to be like a DRUG! And I have to keep reminding myself the thread is about TAGS! NOT HORSES!
     
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