My Tiniest Owl

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by 7Calbrey, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Weighing just 1.89 g., this silver tiny coin has the famous ancient Greek owl on reverse. The obverse must show helmeted Athena with those charming almond-shaped eyes. Still.. This is something strange but superb for me to own. Hope you like it ?

    TinOwl O.jpg TinOwly R.jpg
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is a VERY nice owl... features on both sides are great!

    I have one that I got from @Valentinian , this is my tiniest Owl:

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    Tyre
    1/16th shekel
    10mm 0.47g
    425-394 BCE
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    owl with crook flail
    Sear Greek 5916. BMC Tyre 43 SNG Danish 302
     
  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    very nice owl coin! and @Alegandron's got an owl AND a crab!.. i have neither on any yet..great coins fellas.
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Charles... what denomination do you think it is? Have you found any similarly sized Attica fractionals with that iconography? I'm concerned about this coin.
     
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  6. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much TIF for your scientific concern. I love that. In fact I fortunately acquired this coin with several others from the same seller. So far I previously posted one of them yesterday and it happened to be a rare bronze coin of Augustus Caesar (My luck.. I'm ashamed to tell how much I paid for it). Here are 2 other tiny coins, possibly of the same category. Hope we could attribute them. They weigh respectively 1.71 g. and 1.56 g.

    TnHGriff R.jpg TnHors O 001.jpg

    TnGk OLion.jpg TnGkwolf R.jpg
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Small size is not so much a problem. Style is. Sear lists a 1/8 obol with the type but I have never seen one that I believed was from Athens rather that the ancient East or modern fakers. Hemiobols are the smallest denomination of the design we see regularly. The style here is not Athenian. 1.86g is closest to a hemidrachm which used the facing owl type at Athens. I suppose you can argue that it might be a barbarous or ancient copy from the East but I will consider it modern until shown where I am missing something.

    This is my smallest side view owl at 0.22g which is possibly a much abused hemiobol of Athens or an Eastern copy. In this condition, I really don't claim to know. I bought this so long ago I don't have records (pre computer) and only recorded that it came from a show in Maryland. In those days, I did not write down the dealer's name.
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    A hemidrachm/triobol (same thing) uses the facing owl with wings folded down. This one weighs 1.98g which seems reasonable considering the wear. Nice ones sold by CNG and listed online tend to weigh very close to 2.12g. I am amazed sometimes at the consistent weight of some of the smallest coins.

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    I would be equally concerned about all three and any other coins offered by this seller. We need an expert (I do not claim to be an expert any more than TIF does) to step up and vouch for these coins.
     
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  8. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Thanks Master Doug for your expected concern and prompt general reply. I already opened conversation with sister TIF who seems to have some computer problems. I told her that my digital camera will soon be ready to shoot all these coins. But before that .. please allow me to post 2 more tiny coins which seem very important , I guess. Here's the first one that weighs only 66 cg. The second one will follow in 10 minutes. Phoen16Lion.jpg Phoen16th R.jpg
     
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  9. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here it is, weighing 1.52 g.

    TinMaced O 001.jpg TinMadn R 001.jpg


    Tin M600 R 001.jpg
     
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  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I had similar thoughts as well. For me it seemed too nice for the type. The new coins posted seem to confirm my suspicions.
     
  11. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Clearer pictures will help.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I really can't saw the Phoenician fraction is good or bad from the image but I do not like the Alexander any better than the first two. They seem the same style while they should not since they differ in time and place.
     
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  13. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Good morning from here where it's half past noon o'clock. Weather is very suitable for photography with that excessively shining sun which was worshiped by Elagabalus. I won't be more big mouth than this.. And Here are the photos. Phnk O.JPG PhnSh R.JPG AthTyFk O.JPG AthTiOwF.JPG MacedTFi O.JPG BrShp R.JPG BrShArt O.JPG
     
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  14. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    As you notice, I shot 3 tiny coins out of five. The 2 that I didn't shoot are those which I harshly cleaned yesterday before scanning and posting them here. Also for the Macedonian, I omitted by mistake to shoot the reverse. As for the 4th bronze coin, I acquired it together with the rare bronze coin of Augustus Caesar, previously posted. I owe you for your patience and sincerity, not to forget your wit. Thank you.
     
  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The bronze coin weighs 6.38 g. I was expecting some comments or answers about all these whatsoever.
     
  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Nice pictures. I will refrain from future comment.
     
  17. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Sorry, I'm inclined to doubt these coins also. :( As Doug noted, the Alex and the Athens have the same fabric & style; given that they came from the same dealer, this raises suspicions that they may come from the engraver too. In addition, I can't find anything of similar style on acsearch for the Alex.

    On the other hand, I did find three coins somewhat similar to your Athenian. Hirsch identifies theirs as as hemidrachm from the 5th or 4th c. BCE, "Unediert?" (I'm guessing this means "possibly unofficial"? In which case they agree the style doesn't seem right.) Gorny & Mosch think theirs was a rare archaic trihemiobol. Bertolami presented this one as a rare imitation from Judaea. (If it's real, the jury is still deciding what it is!) Still, these are only somewhat similar to your coin. I note that your Athena looks rather more jolly, and has a very disheveled helmet crest by comparison.
     
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  18. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    @SA.. I couldn't expect a better interpretation than this. Indeed , more and more, I feel myself proud to belong to this great site.
    BTW.. I'm still awaiting Master Doug's final answer about the Phoenician(Persian) coin above, which weighs 0.66 g.
     
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