Coin Albums/holders..damaging quality?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ThatGuyTony, Apr 4, 2018.

  1. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    It surprises me that Whitman is still in the business of albums after dumbing down their line so drastically and not offering slip cases for protection. The price difference is not all that much for a better album.
     
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  3. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    You just have to stay very aware of the coins environment, just the right amount of humidity and keep a close eye on them. Gel packs and canisters can help a bit with these, but they have to be monitored and dried out on a regular basis.
     
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  4. ThatGuyTony

    ThatGuyTony Member

    I recently started collecting again and I had a safe that I didn’t open for about a yr and a half and the staples on my 2x2 were rusted out same with my steel cents. Know how to prevent this?
     
  5. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Seems like albums are on the way out and mylars are in.
     
  6. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Completely wipe down/sanitize the entire inside of the safe and make sure it is completely dry, then try using the silica gel canisters. They are rechargeable by drying them out and reusing them. This will help but you must monitor the condition of these canisters on a regular basis. But nothing is guaranteed.
     
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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Perfect, no. But there are much better things you can do than to store your coins in albums of any kind.

    You have to first understand the basics. For example, what are the enemies of coins ? Air, and the all the contaminants and moisture in air, - that's the answer. So to protect your coins as best you can you have to combat these things by keeping as much air as possible from getting to your coins. Then you also have to realize that certain things add to what those contaminants in the air are. Things like paper or cardboard contain large amounts of sulfur and sulfur is particularly bad for coins. The only exceptions are archival quality paper and cardboard - but almost none is. So any form of paper or cardboard is bad for your coins.

    Another is PVC plasticizers. Pretty much everybody knows about coin flips that contain them and the dangers they present. But what some don't realize is that a lot of other things contain it too. Things like vinyl coin pages - just about all of them contain it. If it says vinyl anywhere, you can bet it does. So none of them should be used either.

    Once you know that much the rest is mostly just common sense. No paper, no cardboard, no vinyl - can be anywhere in proximity to your coins. And it's not direct contact that you have to worry about - it's proximity that you have to worry about. This is because these things put of gasses, it is the gasses that do the harm because they are in the air and the air gets to your coins.

    So, any hard plastic coin holder, what I mean by that is any brand, is what you need to use for each individual coin. These holders are intert, they do not put off any gasses that can harm your coins. They also protect your coins from contact damage. And they greatly restrict the amount of air that can get to your coins. No they do not stop the air because all plastic is air permeable - which means the air can go right through the face of the plastic. BUT - at a much lower rate than it would do so if that coin holder were not there.

    If you are using one of these hard plastic coin holders, you still can't use or have paper, cardboard, or vinyl anywhere near. Because of you the gasses will still get to your coins. So you have to take your coins, in these holders, and then put them in some kind of container that can be sealed. Tupperware containers for example work quite well. Inside the container you also have to place silica gel packs to help reduce the humidity in the air and thus prevent it from getting to your coins.

    Then store this container in a cool, dark place where the temperature is consistent. Preferably away from any exterior wall.

    Do these things and you will have done as much as you can do to protect your coins. Don't and your coins are at risk.

    It depends on the type of album of course but some are worse than others. The old style Whitman folders for example, those are about as bad as you can get. Not only because of the paper and cardboard, but also because the paper that covers the backside of the coin, and that is in direct contact with your coins, that paper is also covered with glue. And that glue is even more harmful to your coins than the cardboard is.

    Another thing is the thickness of the cardboard album pages - the thicker it is the more sulfur it contains. More cardboard equals more sulfur. Another variable is the outer covering of the album - a lot of them are vinyl of one kind or another. And vinyl contains PVC plasticizers - you know what that gets you.

    So, they are all bad, it's just that some are worse than others.

    Kind of. But the thing you have to understand is that all coins begin toning the moment after they are struck - all coins, every single one of them. And it is how you store them that determines just how fast that toning will progress. You can never stop toning, the best you can do is slow it down as much as you can. And you never know what form toning will take, it may turn out to be dark and ugly or it may be a thing of beauty - but you will never know until it is too late to do anything about it short of dipping your coins.

    Your choice is simple, you can take your chances and risk it. Or you can do as much as you can do to slow it down as much as possible. But in any event the choice is always yours.
     
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  8. bear32211

    bear32211 Always Learning

    Great information on the questions posted. Yes I do keep all my items in a dark dry and cool area in my house and do use gel packs to draw moisture away from them. Especially here in Florida where the humidity is the worst. You're right nothing is going to be perfect but I do look over many of my items that are on display in my albums to to make sure there are no issues. Thanks again.
     
  9. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    I just got a Froven Sieg folder from Norway for 10 ores and just like Whitman some slots will pop out. The Bertrand folders from New Zealand are great.
     
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  10. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Do you have any links to companies that sell these? I could not pull anything up on the internet. Wondering what their full line of folders is. Thanks. Tom
     
  11. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    I got the Sieg folder off a Norway coin auction website QXL.no. For the Bertrand folders eBay.
     
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  12. Jordan88

    Jordan88 New Member

    This thread is very confusing and contradicts a lot of the information provided by other reputable resources. I recently began to build a high-end collection of Peace Dollars, Franklin Halves, Washington Quarters, Kennedy Halves, and multiple other sets. I have completed most of the albums and those left are only missing a few coins. All of the coins I have acquired are in BU/MS condition.

    With that said – before I purchased the coin albums I watched a video on YouTube produced by Coin Week, a reputable publisher of hobby information. In the video they were talking about coin storage and mentioned that many high-end dealers/collectors use coin albums to store their collections. One such person that was provided as an example was the founder of Stack Bowers (I believe that is the name of his company). The video went on to provide various reasons why this form of storage was one of the better options.

    Now that I have read this thread I am second guessing that information. From the information you all have provided, if I understand it correctly, I am screwed no matter what (yay). This has prompted a few questions:


    1. Is there no album that could be recommended for long-term storage of quality coins? Albums, even the many of the more expensive ones I could find online, are incredibly cost-effective (much more so than all other options).


    2. I understand the Sulphur in the cardboard, glue on the backing, and vinyl/PVC on the album covers can destroy coins (according to one of the posts contained in this thread). How could Whitman, the Littleton Coin Company, and a sleuth of others all claim they have “archival safe” albums if that isn’t the case? I mean… that just doesn’t make sense, these are reputable companies that have been around for ages. The same poster goes on to recommend air-tight capsules. I have seen a lot of testimony from others in the community that storing coins in air-tight capsules for a long period of time can be very damaging. Everything is made in China these days and I question anything I receive from China that says “archival quality” even if it features the name of a reputable company. I feel more comfortable with the idea of storing my coins for a long-period of time in a non-PVC coin flip or a coin album than I would a plastic capsule for this reason.

    I am a young collector who is considering this as much of an investment as an enjoyable way to pass time. I want to hold on to the coins I have for decades before selling some of them off to help provide extra cash later in my life. I would rather find out how to store my coins correctly now and be certain that the information I am “running with” is correct so I do not look back with regret down the road. Any help would be much appreciated.


    Jordan
     
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  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    "Archival" is used as a relative term, not an absolute.
     
  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Whose are you now using? There is no "best". Some are better at some things, others at others. My best advice is buy the best coins you can afford and keep a watchful eye on how they're doing. Be ready to change direction as new products evolve.

    Almost ALL the experienced collectors I know put their best pieces in plastic capsules, at least the ones not in TPG slabs. It may help you to know that the American Numismatic Association keeps its 1913 Liberty nickel AND its 1804 silver dollar in Kointain (brand name) coin capsules.
     
  15. Jordan88

    Jordan88 New Member

    I am using Whitman Albums now. Good advice, I guess I will just pull them out and check every so often. Too bad there isn't an "early-warning" guide on things to look for. I imagine that you likely don't know a problem is occurring until it is visibly too late (with maybe the exception being toning (if you consider that a problem at all)).
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

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