Two Morgan Dollars - real, restrike or fake?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by PaddyB, Mar 21, 2018.

  1. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    Can you please give me your views on these two? (I collect mainly British coins so I am uncomfortable giving firm opinions on US coinage.)
    My local antique dealer in the UK has had them brought in. Each weighs 26.8g on my scales (to the nearest 0.1g), and is non-magnetic. Strike is Coin aligned (flip through horizontal access to keep them the right way up).
    Are they:
    1. Genuine dated coins (if cleaned...)?
    2. Modern restrikes in Silver?
    3. 100% Fakes?
    4. Some other combination?

    He has bought them, paying less than silver melt for them - what can he honestly sell them for? (They came in with a bunch of other modern silver commemorative coins from UK and World which look right to me.)

    Thanks!
    USA Morgan 1886 1.JPG USA Morgan 1886 2.JPG USA Morgan 1890 1.JPG USA Morgan 1890 2.JPG
     
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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

  4. asheland

    asheland The Silver Lion

    They look authentic to me, but the 1886 appears to be scratched on the obverse.
     
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  5. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    They look good to me as well...
     
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  6. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Common date Morgans are not exactly sought after in Europe. While the 1886 is scratched on the obverse, the surfaces of the 1890 look a bit odd. Either it was slightly cleaned or it’s haze/tarnish. None of them would grade high, so it doesn’t surprise me that they sold cheap.
     
  7. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    So melt them?
     
  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Tne 1890 is a nice looking specimen.
     
  9. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Maybe I was too hard on the 1890 :)
    MS64?
     
  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    50 lashes with a wet noodle :jimlad:
     
  11. USCoinCollector42

    USCoinCollector42 Well-Known Member

    Eh you can but it pains me when people melt down old coins that have so much history behind them. They lose all their historical/numismatic value (although these don’t have much).
     
  12. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    I agree with the other posters, they look genuine. The 1890 has tarnish and doesn't appear to have much luster left. Clean from contact marks, but it looks dull. I suspect a dipping that was a little over done.

    I wouldn't pay much over melt.

    1886, well the scratch would bother me too much.
     
  13. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    I was only being provocative to get a few more responses! They would have to be a hell of a lot worse for me to melt them. Although they are not massively collected over here, there are a few keen amateurs around the coin fairs who will be happy to have them in their collections. I suspect the previous owner dipped them which accounts for the brightness and loss of sheen and patina.
    I will convey the good news to the antique shop owner.
     
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  14. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Oh, please don’t.
     
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