What do collectors call this?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Insider, Mar 21, 2018.

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What do YOU call the raised area on the rim of this dime?

  1. Cud

    2 vote(s)
    9.5%
  2. Die break

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Retained Cud

    7 vote(s)
    33.3%
  4. All of the above

    4 vote(s)
    19.0%
  5. Other

    8 vote(s)
    38.1%
  1. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    There is a raised blob on the rim of this dime, what is it called? IMG_9463.JPG
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    The die crack goes from rim to rim so I think it would be a retained cud.
     
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  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    A "raised blob on the rim" of your dime . . . :D

    Seriously, if it's not raised, I believe you're looking at a rim burr struck into the coin.
     
  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator


    I forgot to consider that possibility, and I believe you are right!
     
  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    This is an EDUCATIONAL POLL! Posted by a TROLL :troll:. So while we're on a ROLL, Please vote. :p
     
  7. asheland

    asheland The Silver Lion

  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Based upon what I have seen over the years you can find somebody who will call it everything you have listed in your poll. And some of those will argue with anybody who calls it something/anything besides what they call it. As for me, I don't care WHAT ya call it because it is what it is - a raised blob of metal on the rim of a coin caused by a die break.

    This brings me to one question - what do you call it ?
     
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  9. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    I call it yours. I don't look for that stuff.
     
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  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I read all your posts in a curmudgeonly old Luke Skywalker voice. I just wanted to say thank you :)
     
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  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Air bubbles and all?
     
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  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I am assuming that the area in question along the rim is RECESSED. If this is the case I would consider it a chipped die, but wouldn't get into an argument with someone who wanted to call it a cud. The bubbles under the bust bother me and I agree with @messydesk that it may be some sort of glue or polymer. It's just strange how it aligns with the rim chip.

    There is a failure mechanism in glass called glue chipping (it is also used as a decorative technique). When glue adheres to the surface of glass and begins to dry, it contracts. This puts localized areas of the glass into tension (glass and ceramics are pretty weak in tension) resulting in chips breaking off the surface. Metals aren't brittle so I don't know if this is applicable but if the bubbles indicate glue and the "cracks" seem to line up, maybe. I've done fractography and break source analysis on glass and polycrystalline ceramics but not metals. I think @Kentucky or some others on here have metallurgy backgrounds and may be able to tell me I'm wrong.

    BTW: is anybody old enough to remember windows falling out of the John Hancock Building in Boston during the 70's. Something similar was the root cause (consider that your useless engineering/science fact for the day:D)
     
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  14. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    My business card says, "CURMUDGEON". Somebody has to be. It's a valuable service to the world at large. I also call the OP's picture "way too yellow". Color matters.
     
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  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    That was too easy! Remember don't trust an image...

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    Now I'm going to highjack my own thread to show a really neat Kennedy 50c. The planchet had deep scratches that were not completely struck out. The way we can tell the marks were on the planchet is the "original" unstruck planchet surface color in the marks. The one thru the "L" is beautiful! Wish I owned this piece for class. You can see the same effect on Morgan dollars where the "roller marks" were not struck out. Those marks have the same "white frost" inside the mark.

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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    What kind of camera do you use and what kind of photo processing software?

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  17. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Cannon power Shot. Software? Most of the time I don't bother to color correct the images. :shame: Silver looks gold. :(

    the florescent light throws everything off.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2018
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  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yah. I kinda noticed that. Don't expect an old darkroom rat like me to be okay with that.
     
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  19. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

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  20. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    In the case of photography, it SELDOM does. 'Tuck's illustration is of a wooden "field camera", a tool I'd choose for truly important photography over any DSLR any day. 4x5 Ektachrome, a stout scanner, and I'll walk rings around a 36MP DSLR.
     
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  21. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Although I admit to being a fan of a fair amount of newer equipment, you'll hear no arguments from me.

    Indeed... but just don't tell the CaNikon fanboys. ;)
     
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