Proof Cent 1970 S Help

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  1. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Yes the 9 really curls all the way around. I'm not seeing the sharp point at the end of the 9 or the weakly struck LIBERTY, but that's probably because it is a proof. As for grading, unless it's MS-68 I don't think it pays.
    Here is a photo of the proof 70-S (Lincoln Cent Resource):
    LD4.png
     
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  3. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    The LIBERTY is softer on a proof small date, but only really recognizable as such side-by-side on the proof. On the "biz strike", the soft LIBERTY is much more obvious.

    At Dallas, I had been looking through 1970 proof sets in a bargain bin, but got paged on the PA system, and never got back to that table. I swear the second set I looked at was a SD cent.
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Put it up on Ebay, in a auction style listing .
    I'll be there to bid on it ..
     
  5. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Its a large date ( look at the crease in the 7 ) and slightly MDD IMO. Jim
     
  6. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Completely disagree on the LD. I'll stake my reputation on the fact that the OP's 1970-S proof is a SD. I showed the picture to several variety experts at Dallas and ALL agreed it is a SD.

    The consensus on whatever doubling is present was that the coin slightly shifted prior to the second strike (as ALL proofs get), and NOT anything on the die itself.
     
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  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Even looking at the second photo showing the top corner of the 7 ? Care to name some of the variety experts? Well each to their own opinion.
     
  8. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    The "7" is a non-element in the diagnostic. Only the "9" really matters on the proof small date.
     
  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    The 9 in the OP really curls around very far. Even more than the proof photo from the LCR
     
  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Yes, and while it is not truly "sharp" or "pointy", it is closer to qualifying for those adjectives than it is for the LD's "blunt".
     
  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Now I don't know any more. Here's the other photos (not the proof) along with the OP.
    Snapshot@2018_0306_110330.jpg 1970S SD-LDa.jpg
     
  12. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Now you're mixing a proof (top) with circulation strike diagnostics (bottom). Ya gotta be careful doing that.
     
  13. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    All I'm saying is if that OP coin is offered at sale, I'm paying SD money for it (which is less than non-proof high condition SD money). The circ. strike SD is rarer than the proof strike SD, AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WHOLE MINTAGE (not in total raw numbers).
     
  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I thought the other photo showed the curl better than the proof photo below.
    The 0 seems to match the business strike photo.
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Whoops. Missed the tab by that much. Proof and OP photos.
    1970_s_small_date_proof-359x307.jpg Snapshot@2018_0306_110330.jpg
     
  16. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    "Third" 1970-S proof type anyone? Hey, anyone seen a "clean" inner top loop of the mintmark?
     
  17. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Proof LD and OP photos.
    1970_s_large_date_proof-370x300.jpg Snapshot@2018_0306_110330.jpg
     
  18. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

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  19. MaxG

    MaxG Active Member

    This is all new to me in the hobby. Im learning alot more now. I suppose i will put it in a 2x2 and save it till i get more coins to send in for grading. Thought i had found my first DD but turns out to be a SD.
     
  20. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    There's an easy way to prove your coins a small date and DDO-012 .
    Go to Coneca site and take some new images .
    http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1970SDDO012.htm

    Make sure you match them to the sites images too .
     
  21. MaxG

    MaxG Active Member

    Thanks Rick I will get right on that. I want my day at work to end already and I'm not even there yet. :(
     
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