Help with some 18th Century Copper

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by BigTee44, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I'm sending these in for grading for a local collector and was hoping to share with them the variety of their coins if possible.

    I know many early copper collectors are in here so I was hoping for some assistance. I do appreciate it!


    1794 Large Cent.jpg 1795 Large Cent.jpg 1798 Large Cent.jpg
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I'm clueless on Sheldon varieties (except for 1798 S-166, from experience- which that one ain't.)

    I will say that I always enjoy looking at early copper anyway, regardless of grade.
     
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  4. BostonCoins

    BostonCoins Well-Known Member

    I would wait for the true experts to chime in, but on the 1794, I'm thinking it could be an S-43 (R2). Based on the date position to the bust on the obverse, as well as the crack going through the U in "United" on the reverse, I think it could be the S-43. We will wait for the experts opinion though.

    Nice coins by the way!
     
  5. BostonCoins

    BostonCoins Well-Known Member

    While waiting for the experts, I was looking around on your 1795. Does this coin have the lettered edge? Can you tell?

    Based on the date position, as well as the forehead alignment to the LIBERTY, I BELIEVE this coin could be an S-75 (as long as it has the lettered edge).

    But again, there are far more knowledgeable people on this site that can confirm the type for you.
     
  6. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I no longer have them in hand so I won't be able to provide that information until they return back to me.
     
  7. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    1795 was also a transitional year for the planchets. There are 2 planchets, one weighs (going by memory) 11 gr, the other 13 grams. The 13 gram with a lettered edge would make it an S-76a. The only reason I know this is because I have an S-76a, and it took me a long time before I figured out what it was. :)
     
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  8. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    I agree on the '94 - Head of '94 S-43.
     
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  9. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    I’m just going to mention something. The Chinese counterfeiters are graduating from poorly made cast silver dollars. They are now making extremely good struck copies of early large cents. They clean, damage, corrode, and wear them down artificially to make them look real.

    They are so good, they’re even slipping past PCGS and NGC, who are working with EAC to try to unmask the new fakes. Be careful when buying EACs.
     
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  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    As mentioned the 94 is S-43, the 95 is S-74. The 98 I am less certain of but I believe it is S-173.
     
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  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I can certainly attest to that; the imaged 1797 "S-136" is a struck fake artificially "weathered" to try and hide the truth.

    Actually, they have been holdered by ICG and ANACS as well, and fooled both collectors and dealers of early American coppers...

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