Odd Idaho Qtr Error

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by USS656, Dec 1, 2007.

  1. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Okay - every time I get one of these quarters I find a new error. This came out of a soda machine this morning.

    If you look closely at the bottom of the state you can see the build-up of extra metal on on side.

    The odd part is the shape of the build-up matches a faint outline on the quarter just to the right of it. I will look closer at it on Monday under the microscope but until then can anyone explain this error?

    Thanks

    Darryl

    http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee123/USS656/IdahoNewerror1.jpg

    http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee123/USS656/NewIdahoerror.jpg
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Looks like die deterioration to me.
     
  4. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Do you think a part of the die was breaking apart? That entire bottom area is a mess.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, I just think it was worn out.
     
  6. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter


    I am sorry Doug but I cannot visualize what you mean or how in the process the surface ends up like that without metal coming away from the die? It's not that I don't believe you - as I do - but I just don't understand what exactly you mean by worn out.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I was not saying that metal didn't come away from the die, it obviously did. But there is a difference between metal being worn away slowly by repeated use - they may strike over a million coins with that one die - and metal coming away in one fell swoop because of die failure ( the die actually breaking ).
     
  8. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Okay - so little bits and pieces come away as it is striking coins and getting worse over time - versus a sudden failure of the die. I get it.

    Are most die breaks the result of die fatigue and/or deterioration that just progresses into something much worse?
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I would suspect it is a mixture of both with no way to tell which is more prevalent.
     
  10. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter


    Cool - thanks for putting up with all of the questions! :)
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hopefully you do realize that I could be entirely wrong about all of this :D
     
  12. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Absolutely :D but in the process I still learn a few things! I would think it would be hard to determine for sure what caused it.

    Darryl
     
  13. Phoenix21

    Phoenix21 Well-Known Member

    Hmm, interesting. Nice find. Man, first time, but I think I'll have to disagree with you GD, looks more like a die chip too me, but could be totally wrong myself. :D Still, a pretty neat find. :thumb:

    Phoenix :cool:
     
  14. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    It looks like a series of small die chips. I don't think it's related to die deterioration since there are no obvious signs of die wear.
     
  15. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Thanks Phoenix and Mike!!! :) I never hear much about die chips.

    I will post nice clear pictures tomorrow.

    Best Regards

    Darryl
     
  16. snickersonbirch

    snickersonbirch New Member

    Die chipped?

    I am not a coin expert but I have worked around hardened steel tooling all my life and it looks like the edge was brittle and came out.
     
  17. USS656

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  18. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I have to agree, especially since Mike knows from what he speaks, also considering the new photos.
     
  19. USS656

    USS656 Here to Learn Supporter

    Thanks Frank!
     
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