Usual Garbage

Hello all,

I'm curious to see if anyone will read this post with that title. Haha

I had a couple of nice little bronzes show up on my doorstep this weekend. The first is a PROVIDENT AVG of Probus, which is the first of the reverse type for me. The obverse is much weaker than the reverse, but still nice with that being said. Also, any additions from Ticinum are welcome.



Probus, Antoninianus, PROVIDENT AVG
AE Antoninianus
Probus
Augustus: 276 - 282AD
Issued: 279 - 281AD
22.5mm 3.60gr 0h
O: IMP C PROBVS AVG; Radiate bust left, wearing imperial mantle, holding scepter with eagle atop.
R: PROVIDENT AVG; Providentia standing left, holding globe and scepter.
Exergue: Q, left field; SXXI, below line.
Ticinum Mint
RIC V-2 Ticinum 489
Aorta: 930: B48, O50, R113, T107, M7.
sjbcoins/Stoian Belkin 162897883727
2/18/18 2/25/18

The second coin is another provincial of SSev. This time from Anchialus, Thrace. So, I was bidding on this coin's almost identical twin and I missed out on it. Then within an hour of the end of that one auction, another listing appeared in my email for purchase at actually a lower price (considering auction juice and shipping altogether). So, I win. And it is a nice coin.



Septimius Severus, AE18, ΑΓΧΙΑΛΕΩΝ
AE18
Roman Provincial
Anchialus, Thrace
Septimius Severus
Augustus: 193 - 211AD
18.0mm 4.50gr 7h
O: AVT K CεΠ CεVΗΡΟC; Laureate bust, right; beaded border.
R: ΑΓΧΙΑ-ΛΕΩΝ; Homonia standing left, kalathos on head, holding patera over lighted altar in right hand, cornucopia in left hand; beaded border.
Anchialus Mint
Moushmov 2823; AMNG I 500.
legion_ii 173156803708
2/18/18 2/25/18

I found some good deals this week which is exciting! They are all from overseas though, which means I will wait forever to get them, which is not exciting.

Current status of Probus and SSev collections:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6322

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6295

Hope all are doing well. Anybody find anything interesting over the weekend?

 

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Some nice additions, especially the Severus.

 

Nice

 

I’m always up for some junky old coins, but two rather nice ones will do too.

Here’s my Ticinum Probus.

 

Nice Probus. It hurts a bit that no one else cares enough about what I consider an interesting sidelight that they even mention it when a specimen comes up. Heaven knows I have posted on the Equiti series often enough. One person's special interest is another's garbage.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/equiti.html
Ticinum Mint Equiti Coins
E
1st Workshop - P XXI
CONCORD MILIT
The first (Prima) workshop used a reverse showing Concordia holding two standards. The code E is in the left field. The example is a third series coin with star in the right field.
Q
2nd Workshop - S XXI
PROVIDENT AVG
Shop Secunda used Providentia holding a globe. The example is from the second series lacking the star in the field.
V
3rd Workshop - T XXI
SALVS AVG
Shop Tertia shows Salus holding a snake. The coin from the third series has a star in the right field.
I
4th Workshop - Q XXI
MARTI PACIF
Shop Quarta used Mars holding a branch and shield. The coin from the third series has a star in the right field.
T
5th Workshop - V XXI
PAX AVG
Shop Quinta used Pax holding a branch and scepter. To avoid confusion with Quarta, the workshop used the numeral V. The lack of star in field places this coin in series two.
I
6th Workshop - VI XXI
SECVRIT PERP
Shop Sexta used Securitas (Everlasting) leaning on a column. To avoid confusion with Secunda, Sexta is shown as the numeral VI. The code letter is in the right field while the (series 3) star is at the left.

What is this?

 

Let me respond to @dougsmit first here. My thread title was just a glib title because I post a lot of Probus and Severus coins so I make fun of myself because I am not sure who is even interested in my posts when they are mostly common coins that I collect. So do not take my silliness as a slight to something important to you.

Which leads me to my second point which is that I didn’t even know this coin belonged to the EQVITI series or I would have made mention of that. I just took the RIC number off of WW because I was being lazy and did not read the RIC entry myself. So it figures my laziness keeps me from something I also consider important. I am glad you took the time to point it out and also to post the coins in the series.

Which brings me to my third point which is that I saw other examples on WW with the star in right field but I did not know that that was a mark of series designation. Now I know which brings me joy in understanding something that I did not before. I am still learning, so much so that sometimes I don’t even know the questions I should be asking.

Finally, you asked what the name and number were. Those are just the online name and auction number of the coin in question. I list it in order to better preserve records for myself. OCD is a pain.

 

That’s one heck of an example!

 

I hear that.

 

I also have this coin, but I was unsure before if it fit into the series because the I is in the right field. @dougsmit any help is most welcome.



Probus, Antoninianus, SECVRIT PERP
AE Antoninianus
Probus
Augustus: 276 - 282AD
Issued: 281AD
25.0 x 23.5mm 4.40gr, 6h
O: IMP C PROBVS AVG; Radiate, mantled bust left, holding eagle-tipped scepter.
R: SECVRIT PERP; Securitas standing left, leaning on column, legs crossed and hand to head.
Exergue: I, right field; VIXXI, below line.
Ticinum Mint
RIC V-2, Ticinum 525.
Aorta: B48, O50, R146, T123, M7.
davidr814 112504155179
8/5/17 8/9/17

 

I also just realized that I did not have this properly noted as part of the series either. Edits to come tomorrow. Thanks @dougsmit!



Probus, Antoninianus, MARTI PACIF
AE Antoninianus
Probus
Augustus: 276 - 282AD
Issued: 279 - 281AD
22.5 x 21.5mm 3.78gr
O: VIRTVS PROBI AVG; Helmeted, radiate, cuirassed bust left, holding spear over shoulder and shield.
R: MARTI PACIF; Mars advancing left, holding branch and spear with shield.
Exergue: I, left field; QXXI, below line.
Aorta: 555: B15, O99, R76, T38, M7.
RIC V 509
Aegean Numismatics through Agora Auctions, Lot 270. Stock #0714207
12/5/16 1/20/17

Your examples are great. I’m happy with my little starter set for now.

 

haha!

 

those are fine coins! i like'em both and need a Probus in my collection.

 

That Probus is pretty "SXXI"!

I have no coins from Ticinum that I know of.

I think most people here have many sub-collections they add to when opportunities arise.

Having specialties is one thing that makes ancients so interesting.​

John

 

I'd call it a nice start for the set. I was once told that these were hard to find but that is not true either. There are harder ones if you want the whole set and I have not seen any of the first series that used AEQVIT rather than EQVITI as the code word. A lot of this is just a matter of whether we decide to study the coins and understand what we can about each detail or whether all we care about is the grade and emperor. There are letters and marks on coins that no one has yet deciphered but there are fewer now than when I came to the hobby fifty years ago. Little details like those add interest to me but not to everyone (I must realize more gracefully).

 

I have a QUINARIUS from The Probe - kinda garbagy looking:


RI Probus 276-282 CE BI Quinarius 2.80g Cohen 768

 

Here is a man after my own heart.

 

@dougsmit I just re-read your EQVITI page on Forum. I had a thought about the motifs chosen for the reverses, at least in the second and third series. Just as the letters for the field marks were chosen to fulfill a code, what if the motifs on the reverses of the coins were also meant to be read like a coded message?

1) CONCORD MILIT: "In harmony with the soldiers,"
2) PROVIDENT AVG: "by the foresight of the emperor,"
3) SALVS AVG: "the health of the emperor,"
4) MARTI PACIF: "by Mars the pacifier,"
5) PAX AVG: "the peace of the emperor,"
6) SECVRIT PERP: "and perpetual security."

My Latin is rusty and I was never an expert by any means, but it seems that you could easily find a political message in the reverse choices. Considering the chaos of the prior few decades in the Empire, it could either be a propaganda piece of the Emperor or an endorsement of the mint authorities of the Emperor or even both.

Also, @dougsmit does the placement of the code letter in the right field change anything or are issues with the code letter in the right field not part of the series of at all?

 

Nice coins...

 

The series comes with letters and stars in various places but we really do not have an answer to the 'why' question. Often it seems they changed such placements to indicate some series change (year possibly but there are many other ideas) so study is needed.

 

Probus, Antoninianus, SECVRIT PERP
AE Antoninianus
Probus
Augustus: 276 - 282AD
Issued: 279 - 281AD
22mm 3.64gr
O: IMP C PROBVS AVG; Radiate, cuirassed bust, right.
R: SECVRIT PERP; Securitas standing left, leaning on column with legs crossed, touching head.
Exergue: (Digamma)XXI
Ticinum Mint
Aorta: 1615: B72, O50, R146, T123, M7.
RIC 573
alghanem1 272477853909
12/16/16 1/20/17

Interesting. So left and right field are included in the series but may be from different series. I also see coins attributed to Ticinum with Greek letters in the exergue preceding XXI like digamma. I am guessing this is from a wrong attribution or another series? Not certain but I know I have st least a SECVRIT PERP like that. See above.