199? Or mint? Penny lots of era's both sides and looks like it's been struck by dime?

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  1. Brett Beliveau

    Brett Beliveau New Member

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  3. beef1020

    beef1020 Junior Member

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    Against my better judgement I will go ahead provide the details you lack. Think through the minting process and then come up with a plausible way this coin could be produced from the mint.

    Every part of the coin that is raised, like the numbers/rim/bust, were created from a portion of the die that is recessed. The die has those devices in recess, does that make sense? Every portion of the coin that is sunk in, like the fields of a coin, are struck from raised portions on the die, so the fields correspond to the highest places on a die. Now that we have those basics out of the way we can work on your coin.

    Let's assume it came from the mint this way. You have a circular area around the edge of the coin, on both sides, that is sunken in well below the fields. This would correspond to the absolute highest part of the dies that struck the coin. Note that on the die that struck your coin, this high point would correspond to what is normally the lowest point, the part of the recessed die that creates the raised rim, which is the highest point on the coin, this is so they can be stacked. So, if your coin is real, the mint instead of making the rim of the die the lowest point, they added material to make it the highest point? Impossible.

    Secondly, if the die has high points around the rim of the obverse and reverse die such that they make your coin, than that portion of the coin is being struck with a much higher pressure than is normally experiences. Metal flows when put under that kind of pressure, especially because the rim of planchets is upturned to compensation for the normal recess of the die on the rim. You would see a large bulge inside the fields by the rim, but that's not present on your coin. Again, without that evidence of higher pressure it's not possible this came from the mint.

    This type of analysis is the starting point for me with every potential error coin I come across. How could it have left the mint that way. In most cases, it's impossible, as with your coin. It's post mind damage. As to why someone would do it, I have no idea. If you hang out here for a couple years you will see untold number of coins that people have messed around with in similar ways.
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    PMD - Post Mint Damage
    It's a Copper Plated Zinc Cent. The Zinc was exposed somehow. That's what you see around the rim underneath the copper. This did not happen at the Mint.
     
  5. Brett Beliveau

    Brett Beliveau New Member

    Oh really so why is it missing pieces out of the building look at his clothes missing pieces look at his ear infection all in it look at the letters put on ur good glasses
     
  6. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    What are the weight and dimensions? I'm no expert, but I'm going to guess the weight is nearly right (2.5 g.), but the diameter is one or two millimeters too large (normal is 19 mm) and the thickness is too thin (normal is 1.52 mm). This is because it looks to me as if someone placed the coin between strips of leather and pounded it with a hammer. This will keep the design but spread the coin. On other coins, the design will spread more or less with the rest of the coin, but on this plated cent, the softer zinc has spread more than the copper plating, causing the exposed zinc around the edge and the loss of details on the ear, building, etc., where the copper lost adherence to the zinc and partially flaked off.
     
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  7. Dave363

    Dave363 Well-Known Member

    It's called zinc rot paddyman98 told you exactly what it was then you come back at him like that not cool.
    He's one of the good guys he goes out of his way to help people like you and then you tell him to put his glasses on.
    It appears like you need to put yours on and learn to read some books imo
    Dave
     
  8. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    I saw a 1966 Mustang that had the rear bumper pushed in. So much so that the right tail light was broken.

    I could not help but wonder why those folks the Milpitas Assembly Plant made the car with a broken tail light? And the bumper? Must have made it difficult to open the trunk!

    As for the cent? Take any modern cent produced since 1983 and scrape it with a screw driver. Observe the gleaming zinc core under the 1 mil copper plating.

    Next, walk outside and find a rock. Pick it up and observe its shape. Then consider how many different possibilities there are that could have occurred to make the rock look like that?

    Cents are produced by the millions each an every day and not every single one is inspected for perfection. The US Government does not control where each and every cent goes and as such, the possibilities for getting damaged in any number of different and unique ways is limitless.

    Your cent is damaged. How it got damaged, only the cent knows for sure.
     
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  9. Adam34falcon

    Adam34falcon Active Member

    Excuse you?
    You literally have no experience in any of this. We are trying to help you. If you are too arrogant to accept the correct answer, then you have no place in these forums. You might as well leave now. There is absolutely no need to be rude. He is right, it is PMD.
     
  10. tmeyer

    tmeyer Au hunter

    I think the date is 1993?
     
  11. Adam34falcon

    Adam34falcon Active Member

    I think its 1991?
     
  12. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The reason why it's missing pieces of the building, clothes and ear is:

    " It's a Copper Plated Zinc Cent. The Zinc was exposed somehow. That's what you see around the rim underneath the copper. This did not happen at the Mint."

    Wait, it looks like somebody already answered it. Darn, I hate it when I forget to put on my good glasses
     
  13. Brett Beliveau

    Brett Beliveau New Member

    You guys are for of negativity it didn't get smashed or stretch by being beaten and it takes a pretty freaking small ass chisel to take out the bottom of the building on both sides and also how do both post on both sides of the stairs just go missing oh ya they probably thought they take it out in put it in the D s t and to the right of the building right above fg and in stead of one edge instead there's 2 on both sides. as in the picture you'll see it weighs 2.43g and the 94 weighs 2.51g yet it's not bent it's not stretch it's not beatin with rocks,hammer,tools,etc and for someone go through that much trouble with a chisel ya I doubt that also it just comes down to it my first time out found a penny just like in the books with all the rights characters and extras. So all the same coins in auction with the same features must be wrong gotta be how can they habe the same features? Screenshot_20180224-101202.png 20180224_110558.jpg 20180224_110639.jpg 20180224_110840.jpg 20180224_111358.jpg 20180224_111303.jpg someone figured it was to thick so they figured they take it out all so lol Screenshot_20180224-101202.png Screenshot_20180224-101202.png
     
  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Oh, you'll do real well around here with an attitude like that.

    PS- your coin is garbage. You should spend it before the exposed zinc rots away leaving you 1 cent poorer and with just a bad attitude.
     
  15. Adam34falcon

    Adam34falcon Active Member

    Nevermind you're not arrogant, you're just ignorant. Are you honestly too ignorant to understand the correct answer? Your coin is garbage. Trash. It is worth 1 cent. Stop harassing people. You are the one full of negativity. I am honestly sitting here laughing at your arrogance. Can you please just leave this forum. Thanks.
     
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  16. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Spend it on typing lessons.
     
  17. enamel7

    enamel7 Junior Member

  18. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Lives under a bridge and eats roasted Hobbits! Run!

    HEH.
     
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  19. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's time for everyone to just not bother to answer the guy. At the same time, his post are something to laugh at.
     
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  20. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Here's an experiment you can do at home. Take a regular utility knife a scrape the copper plating of rim and selected parts of a cent (you don't need a chisel, hammer or rock). The mint says that the plating is approx. 8-10 microns (approx. 1/3 to 1/2 a mil if you're a machinist). It doesn't take much to scrape through the plating and expose the zinc. If you have good hand a coordination and/or are somewhat artistic, you can scrape away copper on other parts of the cent just as easily. Now take that coin with the exposed zinc and soak it in vinegar, Coke, or bleach for a few days or weeks. Know what you're going to get? That's right, something that looks like the coin you posted. Zinc is a very reactive metal and when it's exposed to an acidic environment, it's dissolves. By weighing your coin and showing that it's light weight, you basically confirmed this.

    Better living through Chemistry

    Hope this helps. I'm outta here
     
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  21. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    You certainly have it figured out - why ask anyone on here? - post it on eBay with the photo below and wait for those big bids to roll in - good luck! :woot:

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  22. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Pretty sure that is a 5 on the end.

    ...and Mr. Beliveau, Coin Talk is a place for others to connect with fellow coin collectors (numismatists) and to seek help from those who have very specialized knowledge with certain types of coins (Morgan Dollars, 50 cent commemoratives, errors, even specific types of errors for specific denominations and specific strikes, etc.).

    It is a "place" where many who love this hobby can go to get away from the anger of partisan politics, cocky sports analysts, nagging spouses, and the stresses of life that each of us has to deal with. Many, myself included, look forward to new posts and others' comments and contributions.

    Your sarcasm, cynicism, condescending tone, insulting behavior, and boorish comments don't help you in this forum, especially when you came here asking for our help. There are three things you never get back while you're alive: Your reputation; your virginity; and your chance to make a good first impression.

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