Ancient coin in auction

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Charles1997, Feb 22, 2018.

  1. Charles1997

    Charles1997 Well-Known Member

    Hello everyone. This is a coin in a auction that I saw, and it seems tobe a obvious fake. I am trying to get better at telling when a coin is authentic or not. other opinions?
     

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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Nothing screams fake to me. The style looks right. The fabric looks right. It is darkly toned and looks like someone buffed the high points a little bit. What in particular do you find worrisome?

    Here are some comparisons:

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  4. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    What auction house is selling it?
     
  5. Charles1997

    Charles1997 Well-Known Member

    I thought that perhaps the reverse seemed to be modern made. I am looking at buying books on ancient coins so I can learn more, but I am having a hard time finding the right books
     
  6. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Looks OK from the photo. Aside from what @TIF already said it looks as if it might have been lacquered as well (a common practice 100 years ago).
     
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  7. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    I was curious about the reputation of the auction house.
     
  8. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Based on the photo alone certainly not a recognized one, unless its in an antique auction or something else (Ebay).
     
  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    @Charles1997 , the OP coin looks very nice. You might have spurred some of us to go looking for it and bid against you!
     
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  10. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yep... that's why it is best to wait until an auction has ended before posting coins for discussion.
     
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  11. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I found it, but unless you live close to South Carolina you are out of luck as they wont ship. Pick up only.
     
  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Better drive fast too... that coin hits the block in an hour or two :D
     
  13. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Wow, gorgeous toning. A very attractive coin.
     
  14. Charles1997

    Charles1997 Well-Known Member

    I wasn't wanting to buy it, I was curious if it was authentic or not. I thought it was fake because the patina didn't look right to me
     
  15. Blake Davis

    Blake Davis Well-Known Member

    I would compare it to similar coins in databases like WILDWINDS, then check out the FORUM site - they have an excellent list of current fakes that has saved me from a few wayward purchases.
     
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  17. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I was the underbidder on the Velia and on the Celtic AV stater. I dropped out of bidding on the Henry VIII AV angel many increments before the hammer. I was really just looking for a bargain today and while the Velia and Celtic coins sold for below what I believe is the real market value (based on my estimate of what they would fetch if sold through an ancient coin auction house or in a fixed price store), I really shouldn't be spending that much on coins right now :(.

    It will be interesting to see where these coins appear next. Will they pop up in a Vcoins store? In an major ancient coin company's auction?

    I'm already kicking myself a little bit for not trying another increment or two on the Velia or Celtic... in part because of the interesting pedigree. These coins were from the estate of Millicent Rogers, the granddaughter and heiress of Standard Oil tycoon Henry Huttleston Rogers. She was an art collector, socialite, and fashion icon.

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    The buyer's premium was 25% (gasp!), so with BP the Henry VII AV angel sold for $1750, the Velia didrachm $625, and the Celtic AV stater (Trinovantes) for $813.

    I scrambled to get registered with this auction company and hour before the coins hit the block I was on the phone trying to figure out how to pick them up. The auction company doesn't ship!! I located a local (to the auction) courier service who would pick them up and ship them to me for $40.

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    For posterity, here are those coins. You sure can tell this company is not an ancient coin house! There were only four coins in this auction (mostly paintings, antique furnishings, etc).

    Henry VIII AV angel, 5.2 gm
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    h8r1.jpg

    Lucania, Velia; didrachm, 7.5 gm
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    Britain; Catuvellauni & Trinovantes. Uninscribed AV stater, 5.8 gm (that inscrutable obverse is a "stylized head of Apollo")
    celticstatero.jpg
    celticstaterR.jpg
     
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  18. Trajanwinger

    Trajanwinger New Member

    Reverse lettering looks Macedonian.
     
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