New medieval puzzle for you fine gentlemen: le monnaie noire

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by seth77, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Because some of you manifested interest in my previous puzzles, here I am with a new puzzle post.

    Monnaie noire meant a low title billon, minted often in a great hurry, with very few concerns for quality workmanship in both striking and flans.

    This example is actually rather good for the period and the type and comes from a Western European old collection (nice cabinet patina over the wear). It is obviously a denier tournois.

    Good luck figuring out and identifying it!

    side1.jpg
     
    randygeki, RAGNAROK, Bing and 5 others like this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

  4. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    No takers up until now, so here is a hint: it was minted during a feudal conflict closely associated with the Hundred Years War.
     
  5. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    I could not read enough of the legends to limit the large number of possibilities to a managable amount. Looking for recognizable parts (common names CIVITAS, REX, DUX) did not produce much. On the cross side i read "IVS" and possibly "DVX" that's about it. Not much to go on.
     
  6. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I'd recommend trying to decipher the reverse legend (the one on the chateau tournois side).
     
  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Something to do with Robert III d'Artois? But it doesn't look like one of his deniers from Mehun-sur-Yèvre...
     
  8. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    No, the tournois of Robert d'Artois are usually of pretty decent standard, not monnaie noire.
     
  9. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    My best guess for the reverse is "Brittany" ?
     
    RAGNAROK and seth77 like this.
  10. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Excellent guess!
     
  11. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    ... So what's the ID? :)
     
  12. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Charles of Blois, Duke of Brittany?
     
    RAGNAROK and seth77 like this.
  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Even though I havn't participated in your threads, I enjoy reading them, you guys are pretty good at attributing these coins, I wouldn't even know where to start, Well done! I am learning.
     
    seth77 and Alegandron like this.
  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    That's it.
     
    RAGNAROK and TheRed like this.
  15. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

  16. ycon

    ycon Renaissance Man

    I was barking up the wrong tree. I kept looking at anglo-gallic coins of Edward III, struck in the Aquitaine-- and unsurprisingly running into dead ends.
     
  17. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Me too. I was also thinking anglo-gallic black money.
     
  18. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much for letting us into this link/site. Merci beacoup.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page