Clouding on Proof Silver Coins

In reference to the differences between Morgans and Proof Ikes, wouldn't the fact that there is a different finish on both of them be among the biggest culprits to explain why more proof Ikes in their original packaging have this problem than Morgans in GSA holders?

Plus, at coin shows I also see many modern proof commemoratives from the '90s and early 2000s have the same clouding problem, and they have far different packaging than Ikes minted and packaged 25-40 years earlier.

 

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But if you dip it, it wont be tagged as "details" if you want it slabbed? I always thought dipping was bad and a big no-no.

 

good point on the proof vs MS coins and haze, it's relevent.

I don't believe the haze to be prolific on all modern proofs, but mostly 1970s proof coins, which it happens is the same era as the GSAs and the Brown Ikes...

I always thought it was a rinse issue, but you're telling me that it's not at 100% confidence.

 

MS70 work on getting the blue haze off a Brown Ike? @GDJMSP

 

Bman33, asks: "MS70 work on getting the blue haze off a Brown Ike?"

Yes, but some like it. If you leave it on you'll have more people who want it. Those who like te haze and those who wish to dip it off.

 

They would most likely honor the guarantee. The graders don't know the coin is a regrade, but once the work is done the new result is compared to the original to see if the grade has gone down. A drop from graded to bodybag sounds like a dorwngrade to me which would call for compensation.

 

Could it be possible that the CC Morgan's being minted and then sitting somewhere for quite some time before being put into the GSA packaging, and the Brown Ikes went into packaging right after minting have any bearing on the whole equation? I've just read many many posts of yours about how everything can and is a factor in coin toning. For instance, let's say the Ike package and CC package are exactly the same. Maybe the surface of the Morgan's being exposed to air for decades somehow neutralizes some of the packaging effects. I'm just curious, and haven't heard this mentioned before.

 

I think that Doug made the point that we should all note that the coins with haze are proofs and mirrored whereas the CC Morgans are circulation strike and the difference in the surfaces accounts for the haze on one vs the other.

 

The mirrored surface "only" contrasts a different look. The toning is the same. The luster is much finer on a proof.
I'd also like to add that storage conditions are the cause of anything that changes the appearance of a coin, it doesn't necessarily matter the type of coin, just the right type of conditions.

 

agreed, P&G, but storage includes the packaging and anything that is found as nearly universally toned as thse Ikes are would likely be packaging as their storage environment is as varied as the world itself.

 

No, things aren’t details graddd simply for being dipped. Dipping is perfectly fine and doesn’t lead to details coins when done properly. Improperly doing it or doing it on the wrong coin can lead to a details grade though

 

Industrial solvent for metal finishing.

 

OK, I'm going to try and make this as easy as I possibly can to try and give you an answer to your question.

First off, the cloudy look on the 1971 to 1974 Ike proof brown box silver dollars were produced using only 40% silver. Two things are important to consider with this. One is the amount of silver used, and the other one is that they have a proof finish.

As far as the value of the coins, comparing the cloudy looking ones compared to the bright shiny looking coins, YES, there is a difference in the value. Most of the coin collector's will always try to find the very best example of the coins that they are trying to collect, as long as it is within their budget.

As far as buying a cloudy version of the coin, and dipping/cleaning the coin to improve it's appearance, I suggest that you don't do that, because you're going to take away from the originality and authenticity of the coin. This will, (even though the coin looks better), have the potential to possibly decrease the value of the coin, and result in a lower grade if it is not done correctly.

As far as the packaging of the Brown Box Proof Ike silver dollars, and the GSA packaged CC Morgan silver dollars, they are quite similar. The biggest difference between the appearance of the two coins are;
1. The Brown Box Proof Ike silver dollars, were produced using only 40% silver, and they have a proof finish.
2. NONE, of the Carson City Morgan silver dollars were produced with a proof finish, and they were produced using 90% silver. Therefore, the cloudy appearance would not be seen on the CC Morgan silver dollars.

My final thoughts to you concerning your post would be this. If you want to collect the Brown Box Proof Ike silver dollars in the original packaging with all the original paperwork, and you are concerned about the appearance of the coin, then wait until you find one that meets your minimum standards.
If you're looking for the very best example of the coin, then purchase the highest grade coin you can afford from a reputable TPGC like NGC or PCGS.
If you're just trying to fill an empty spot in your collection, then look for the best one you can afford.

Good luck, and I hope that this information was helpful for you.

 

So you're suggesting that the 40% silver is to blame for the hazing? Not the environment, not the manufacturing process and not the packaging?

 

It has been my concern for many years that any and all silver PF coins left in government packaging up to 1989 is prone to this ugly hazy toning. Some of the most susceptible coins are Ikes in brown boxes and proof sets from 1968 thru 1978.

 

You brilliant

 

For 40% Eisenhower dollars, the outside is 80% silver.