Help with 1888 Silver Morgan Dollar

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  1. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    Hi does anyone know whether this is genuine or not? it has no mint mark so i assume its made in the philadelphia mint Screen Shot 2018-02-09 at 16.30.51.png Screen Shot 2018-02-09 at 16.32.24.png


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  3. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    Fake as fake can get. Made in China. Sorry
     
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  4. BostonCoins

    BostonCoins Well-Known Member

    Hey @Cascade , could you elaborate as to why please? Was there a detail that gave it away, or just a gut feeling?

    I'm not an expert on Morgans, so looking at it as a possible fake, I'm looking for the obvious signs such as bubbles on the surface from casting, to extra material between the denticles on the outside border, etc...

    Now I do notice that there is an asymmetric spacing between some of the lettering. I would have thought the designers would have been more careful about that, but perhaps not.

    I'd just like to know what you saw so that I can learn from your experience. We could ALL learn from people's knowledge and experience on this site!
     
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  5. asheland

    asheland The Silver Lion

    Definitely fake. Looks to be a cast copy, grainy and overall wrong in appearance.
     
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  6. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Looks suspect.
    Does it stick to a magnet?
    How's the weight?
    Diameter and thickness?
    Then if it checks out, run it under a metal detector with a graph to see it it hits 90% silver.
     
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  7. mac266

    mac266 Well-Known Member

    ^^^ This ^^^

    Additionally, it has been rather harshly cleaned so even if it had been real you should avoid it.
     
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  8. ali15111111

    ali15111111 Member

    hi how can you tell its fake? it doesn't stick to a magnet
     
  9. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Variety Nerd

    The details are mushy and the date numerals don't look right plus the fake dirt circulation is a dead giveaway. Once you know the Morgan design like the back of your hand and have also seen hundreds of Chinese cast copies a coin like this won't fool you. And it doesn't stick to a magnet because the pot metal they use is non ferrous. It will either be the correct weight but bigger or thicker or it will be the correct size but underweight. The magnet test is useless nowadays.
     
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  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Is it fake? Or has it just been so harshly cleaned that it looks really weird? This seems to have been erasered, or something similarly atrocious. However, nothing in these pics screams fake to me.

    If anyone can point to some clear signs of it being fake, I'll believe them.
     
  11. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    I listed a number of checks and balances.
    IF it passes those, I run it under my Whites 6000di detector against a known real morgan.
    Chances are THIS one won't even get that far.
    One Real,One Fake.
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    One Real,One Fake
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  12. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    One Real,One Fake.
    My Father bought 5 from a guy in Canada.
    They came China Post, 2 of the 5 stuck to a magnet, but ALL 5 were fake.

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  13. longhood911

    longhood911 New Member

    The rim gives it away, fake Chinese. Have you slid it down a neoderm magnet? This is not 100% full-proof because they will sometimes use a real silver bank.
     
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