WHAT IF I SUBMIT A PCGS GRADED MS64 MORGAN DOLLAR THAT IS CLEARLY A PROOF LIKE COIN?

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Could this grade prooflike

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    I have PCGS Ms64 graded Morgan Dollar the coin is clearly a Proof like may be worth couple of hundred, I will enclose some quick pictures off my tablet.
    Let me know what you would do? IMG_20180207_203236.jpg IMG_20180207_202749.jpg IMG_20180207_202959.jpg IMG_20180207_203236.jpg IMG_20180207_203504.jpg IMG_20180207_203504.jpg
     
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  3. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It would probably grade PL, but not DMPL. A 64PL is not worth a couple of hundred dollars for an 1881-S. They are almost rarer without any mirrored fields.
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I certainly don't see a DMPL there. Based on the reverse alone, which is clearly PL, it would have a shot, though I'm not sure if the frost is consistent enough on the portrait of the obverse to carry it all the way over the PL threshold. Since it's in a regular MS64 holder with no PL designation, I suspect that must have been the case: the obverse fell just short. Maybe you'd squeeze a PL out of them after multiple resubmissions, but it wouldn't be worth the hassle and expense.

    As @TheFinn mentioned, the 1881-S (and, if I recall correctly, the '80-S as well) Morgans were of consistently high quality- probably the highest quality across the entire series (though the Morganites will correct me if I'm wrong). So these dates come nice. As such, PL and even DMPL coins are relatively common in these dates, and prices more modest, but if you want a really beautiful Prooflike or Deep Mirror Prooflike Morgan without shelling out big bucks, these are the dates to have!

    I wouldn't waste time trying to get a PL designation. Enjoy it as-is, as an attractive type coin.
     
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  5. ddoomm1

    ddoomm1 keep on running

    I believe not PL due to the obverse not having deep mirrors (the reverse looks PL, as is common).
     
  6. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    Obverse has same mirror effect as reverse! I will try to setup my camera and try to get another shot, But the second picture above shows mirror effect!
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    This is a $100 coin in 64PL. Don't waste the money having it graded.
     
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  8. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    I'm going to say it probably won't. If PCGS didn't give it a PL designation the last time around it's not likely it will happen today. As already mentioned, the San Fran mint apparently played musical dies and many Morgans were struck with out of balance dies resulting in many one sided PL coins and many near misses.
    I've got an 1881-S PCGS graded MS65+ CAC green bean that's almost DMPL reverse and the obverse just misses PL with some frost on the obverse fields.
    It is however impossible to say for sure based on a couple of photos that are inconclusive in my opinion.
     
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  9. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    Does the cameo bust obverse count as frost?
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    They’re really hard on PL now a days. That’s one of the designations that’s gotten harder to get as the years have gone on. As mentioned that is a date that is probably the nicest in the whole series.

    It’s cheaper, easier, and quicker to just buy a PL one if that’s what you’d like.
     
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  11. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Well done! And I agree, P/L is even iffy. The best Morgans for quality are the 1879-S to 1882-S. They were doing something very right in San Fran. Probably using more dies than the Mint in Philly were happy with, but someone definitely hit the QUALITY button.
     
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  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Life will go on.
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It's all ready been graded and did not receive the PL. You could resubmit but I don't feel it's worth the costs. Not a large enough difference in price. What you have is common to this date.verrynice looking coin. Enjoy it as is.
     
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  14. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    Ive seen this before, and its always these early S minted Morgans. It most likely just missed the mark. One side or possibly just one part of the coin wasnt reflective enough.
    Personally, i love buying coins like this, you get more for your money:troll:
     
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    hi. What does dmpl stand for. I'm thinkin pl stands for proof like. But lost with the dmpl grading. Can you assist me in a better understanding. Thanks
     
  16. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Just acting like i know what I'm talking about.
     
  18. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    It stands for Deep Mirror Proof Like, Cheech9712, It's a coin that looks like a modern proof but was struck as a circulation strike coin.
     
  19. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    This coin already has had its chance to get PL. I don’t think it would be worth the time and money to ask for a re-do.
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Hey, Cheechiebaby-

    ( ;) Sorry, couldn't resist that- ha! I crack me up)

    Maybe this article will help a bit ... or just end up confusing you even more.
     
  21. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Deep Mirror Proof Like, DMPL. It is the designation used by PCGS and most collectors. Pronounced, "dimple".
     
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