Machine Doubling right?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by WoodenSpoon Boy, Nov 20, 2007.

  1. WoodenSpoon Boy

    WoodenSpoon Boy New Member

    I just needed to clarify if this is an an error or not. looks like the "In God We Trust" is a bit doubled.
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  3. adelv_unegv

    adelv_unegv New Member

    It's my understanding (and it may not be accurate) that machine/mechanical/etc. doubling has a sort of 'shear' in one direction. This appears to double from the center outward - toward the edge - so I would guess die-deterioration. But that 'D' of 'GOD' -- that looks -- I don't know, real.
     
  4. cat1026

    cat1026 Member

    I am by know means an expert, but it look like machine doubling to me from past examples I've had. The look in the photo is flat and not rounded as a double die would look.
     
  5. cat1026

    cat1026 Member

    There is a double die for 1939 obverse, which is rare. I'm not familiar with a double die existing for the 1939-s you have. Maybe someone else will have more information for you.
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    My initial reaction was : definite machine doubling, as on the "trust' segment.
    However, the O & D of God is a mystery and sure looks like a DD.
     
  7. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    the doubling is flat and shelf-like, which indicates machine doubling. In rotated hub doubling, the serifs are split in the same plane. With an Arial type font, there are no serifs, but the letter edges are on two different levels.
     
  8. AgCollector

    AgCollector Senior Member

    I think this one might have a chance at being a doubled die.

    The initial hub impressions on the earlier Lincolns weren't as strong so there are some doubled dies out there with fairly weak doubling, see for example this one from 1941

    http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1941&die_id=1941p1do001&die_state=lds


    Now, the spread on yours is not rotated but shifted radially, which means it would have to be a class II doubled die, or perhaps shifted uniformly, i.e. class IV.

    If you can find notching at the corners of the letters (like split serifs) that would definitely indicate a doubled die. Try to get a good look at the tops of the "W" in we and "U" in trust and see if you can see any notching.
     
  9. WoodenSpoon Boy

    WoodenSpoon Boy New Member

    Thanks for the help guys, I'm still debating on if I should just throw it back in the wheat pile. Any additional opinions on this would be greatly appreciated. I tried doing my best to take the sharpest picture of the area in question
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  10. kidkayt

    kidkayt Senior Member

    I would save this one because of the age, and of course mechanical doubling can
    be very attractive too. Please look at this Roosevelt gold commem . The face has
    a great silhouette made by mechanical doubling!
     

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  11. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    While I am anything but an error expert, the OP's coin doesn't appear to be machine doubling to me. I'd guess DDO...Mike
     
  12. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    what I think you are seeing is Die deterioration doubling topped with some machine doubling as well. If the "OD" in god were really die doubled that strongly I would expect to see some sign of doubling on the lower inside loop of the letters as well.
    Just my opinion

    Richard
     
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