Quadruple Struck Virginia Quarter question

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Lorenzian, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. Briboy07

    Briboy07 Well-Known Member

    Neat! Graded, now what do you plan to do with it?
     
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  3. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    As ultralight said, these dents are commonly associated with multi-strikes of this appearance and appear to coincide with the final few strikes or the very last strike. In other words, it's not post-strike damage and is therefore part of the error. Since the "damage" is inflicted at opposite poles (you'll note a flattened edge opposite the more obvious edge indentation) it's unlikely to be just a feeder. Perhaps a feeder and some obstruction.
     
  4. Lorenzian

    Lorenzian Member

    How about this one. IMG_20180129_175118664.jpg IMG_20180129_175203447.jpg
     
  5. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The Rim 'Bump', and flattened
    area opposite it, are from the
    enlarged coin getting jammed
    in a counting or rolling machine.
    (after it left the Mint, imo)

    I'd bet the OP works for Brinks
    or Loomis - or a similar wrapping
    facility.
     
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  6. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    I just have to ask myself........Hum........if it couldn’t go through a CoinStar Machine then HOW did it make it through the MOST modern QC and counting machines in the world into the mint bags?........Hum. That suckers isn’t just a smige off it’s WAY out of round no way that made it into a bag by its self.
    JMO
    Reed.
    This is an example of many many many coins that shouldn’t be in collectors hands. AND its been going on for as long as we have had a US Mint it would seem.
     
    Last edited: Jan 30, 2018
  7. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, this is NOT an example of coins that shouldn't be in
    collectors hands.
     
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  8. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    This is a Philadelphia Mint stock photo. Here should have been the end of the line for a coin like that and I’m sure it did end up in a similar tote. From these totes I’m thinking it goes to a contractor to reprocess the metals for resale. So one more avenue not unlike coin webbing that is sold by scrappers that “reprocess” the metals.
    Another way could be to dump a few totes into Bulk bag #87633A000 that’s going to Brinks and a phone call to Bobby that there coming and bingo new errors to be had. Not to unlikely is it. Even more when we see an error like this picture of a cent I found that I’M SURE WAS IN THAT TOTE PICTURED BELOW. And SOMEHOW ended up in a PCGS holder. Everything is locked and under security so how does a coin that’s twice the size AND cupped to be three times the thickness make it past this machine and into a mint bag? It must have jumped out and escaped like this oversized Foreign coin.
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  9. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    I know Fred I just don’t like the fact that some of these I feel probably come into being because of nefarious intent. Probably only to make money. No doubt the OP’s coin is as cool as H E double hockey sticks and could have come out of a roll. Sorrily I just don’t think it did and the OP has almost said as much so the coolness factor is gone for me.
    Fred once they are in the hobby then you are 100% correct they do need to be collected and loved. Don’t get me wrong I do love a good error I just like to find mine in the wild and the big ugly errors would NEVER make it into circulation so I will never find one and never expect to. Those types of coins are pulled and processed long before a Hobbist would EVER find them. They have to be able to be ROLLED to get into circulation. Which means it has to be COIN SHAPPED to be rolled................these types of coins are purposefully pulled from some point in the process somehow to be sold at great profits by SOMEONE!
    How do they make it into the system Fred? You’ve been doing this for ever what’s your take?
     
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  10. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    These double strikes can easily get out in the Ballistic Bags
    that the Mint(s) has been using for over 15 years.

    But, if you don't like them because they make you feel a bit
    'off', I fully understand.....no problem.
     
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  11. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    I don’t feel off just have no respect for something that should never be. But I guess I could order a super sack of quarters then I would have a chance to pull those errors. It can be done! I’ll admit that is one way.
    Reed.
     
  12. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    CBCF4D44-840A-46C1-ADC2-ABF0AD215E39.jpeg = 200,000 coins or $50,000. I’ll have to pass.
     
  13. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Fred I have a question on these coin .
    I was told that in 2002, when the Schuler presses were installed .
    They have an automatic ejection so this doesn't happen .

    This coin then would have been put back in the press, to get the extra strikes ?
     
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  14. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Here one of the coins struck from the Schuler Presses from 2002 .
    It was automatically ejected after this strike .

    So any other strikes to this coin would have to be hand feed ..
    From what I've been told ..
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  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    One last thing I have to offer on my thoughts .
    If the OP coins were from the old presses, wouldn't NGC have put
    " Chain Strike " on their slab ?
     
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  16. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    The Schüler Horizontal Presses were first
    installed at the Philadelphia Mint
    in 1997, based on some mis-struck
    quarters that started to come out.

    By 2001, I believe that cents thru quarters
    were struck with the Horizontal Presses,
    (except halves and dollars), that had been
    installed there.

    My last floor tour of the Phily Mint was in 2008,
    and there were double, triple, and quadruple
    struck State Quarters still being made at that
    time - the coins are --supposed-- to be struck
    and ejected, but there are various reasons why
    the machinery can jam, mis-feed planchets,
    etc.

    However, my observation is that since the middle
    of 2001, 99.5% of multi-struck and major off center
    coins have been eliminated because of the newer
    presses.
     
  17. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    Here is a picture of the type of presses I worked on for years. Anytime we would do ANY type of adjustments or maintenance after we would run 6 panels to run through QC to check the work. Some times they were perfect and got stacked sometimes they were a train wreck and went to the hammer mill to be recycled. These panels are not valuable damaged but if they were I GUARANTY they would never had made it to the hammer mill! Just like these oversized error coins make it OUT of the condemned tote. Is it a mystery? Not really! Valuable stuff that is supposed to be recycled is making it into holders. It has come out of the system by someone or a group or someones that do it for big dollars. The people that remove these types of oversized errors from the system aren’t just giving them away to kids and such are they? NO they then SELL them and put the money in THEIR bank account. Okay if you do it by buying $50,000 totes and go thru each coin by hand. Not okay if you work for Brinks and know when the “next good tote is coming” and wink wink buy those funny looking quarters for a quarter each from the company. Just saying this could happen real easy. And the OP has eluded to something that can’t be discussed as he found it at his job. I doubt it was at the local Zip-E-Mart as a night cashier or he COULD just say!

    At what kind of job do you FIND clearly mint fresh OVERSIZED MISS SHAPED VALUBLE error coins??????????? That absolutely could not be found in circulation?????????
    1. Mint employees
    2. Federal Reserve employees
    3. Federal Reserve contractors
    4. Transportation Company employees
    5. Recycling Company employees
    All the above are examples of points of egress for Valuable error coins and I’m sure there are many more. The method is simple:
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  18. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The dent is from one side of the wrench-shaped feeder/ejector. http://www.error-ref.com/?s=impingement

    I have photos of a double-struck 2004 Iowa quarter and the feeder it was struck against that show this is the case. It's not my photo and therefore I can't post it in the public domain.
     
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