What is this? A concave Alexander Severus Sestertius

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Julius Germanicus, Jan 18, 2018.

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What is this and why is it like that?

  1. This Sestertius was struck that way.

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  2. This coin was hammered into it´s concave shape in ancient times

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  3. This is an ancient coin but received it´s odd shape in modern times

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  4. This is a modern fake

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  5. This is a keeper for whatever reason

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  6. I would send it back

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  1. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    I just opened the envelope to look at my latest eBay-purchase and I found this:

    On the seller´s pictures it looked just like an average, worn and cleaned Sestertius of Alex Severus, something I found nice enough to try out for 40 USD:

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    But the second I opened the envelope I noticed something very odd...

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    The whole thing is concave! The obverse is bulged outwards for about 2 mm while the reverse is dented in.

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    Why would someone do this? I have seen concave Greek Imperial bronzes, but never to this extent on a Rome mint Sestertius.
    Has this coin been hammered into this concave shape in (late) ancient times (maybe as some kind of pre-Contornitate)?
    Or is this the work of a modern smith?
    Is this coin even genuine at all? The edge has obviously endured a lot of filing.

    Is this something nice / interesting to have?
    Or would you send it back?
     
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  3. Aidan_()

    Aidan_() Numismatic Contributor

    If it is genuine I would think it was used for jewelry.
     
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  4. hoth2

    hoth2 Well-Known Member

    I don't like that edge--that by itself is enough for me to not want the coin, even if it weren't unexpectedly concave.

    Not that I would have a big problem with it being concave if it were described that way and priced to reflect it (problem coins are my bread and butter), but that it wasn't revealed in the description rubs me the wrong way.
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It was edged and hammered to make a decoration inset in something but I can't prove when it was done. My gut feeling is within the last century or two rather than ancient. I see no reason to doubt the coin being ancient and would love to see what it once was set into.
     
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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I totally agree
     
  7. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Hammered to concave? How is that possible without damage to the reverse?
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Urethane hammer and anvil.
     
  9. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I agree, I put the coin back where it probably came from:

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  10. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Wow. Being that the coin is already damaged, I think it looks great now. Nice pendant.
     
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  11. Julius Germanicus

    Julius Germanicus Well-Known Member

    For ten seconds I actually believed it was mine :joyful:

    My dad has an old bench vise machine at home and I think about trying to "flatten out" this coin a little bit over the weekend (I would place it between strips of wood before squeezing it).

    Do you think this is a good idea or would this result in a flan crack?
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Bad idea! Sell the coin and buy one you can accept in your collection. You have a crack now. A vise could give you two halves.
     
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  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    It's a spectacularly bad idea. The metal will be brittle (age hardened) and there is already a network of cracks. You'd end up with a bunch of pieces.
     
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  14. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    That coin is a mess. Sell it if you can, if not give it to a kid and get a better example.
     
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  15. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I like it. Not an expert opinion, but I think it is ancient with modern modifications (I say "modern" because the modifications are so systematic - most of the altered ancients I've seen have a crude hole and not much else - but again, not an expert).

    As for its "keep-ability" - I look at damaged ancient coins the way I look at The Venus de Milo or the Winged Victory of Samothrace - yeah, they are damaged, but they are still spectacular works of art. In this case, you have a really fine portrait of Alexander Severus, with exceptionally fine lettering for that period. The other nice thing is that damaged coins are usually cheap coins. I'd be happy to have this one in my collection. Nice find.

    And yeah, do not try to flatten it. Like Humpty Dumpty, you won't be able to put it back together again.
     
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