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Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Lisa rosenberg, Jan 11, 2018.

  1. Lisa rosenberg

    Lisa rosenberg New Member

    I posted this in another forum on here, but not sure if that was the right one to post it in. So here it is again, sorry for the duplicate. I have 2 misprinted dollar bills. The back section that was printed on the front is actually the part that is missing because of the fold from the other one. I am trying to figure out what they might be worth. Any insight would be very helpful. Thank you!
     

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  3. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    EABB9619-08E7-4190-8920-52F4FEA685EC.jpeg 7B78DAFB-7556-4B20-AC80-C16390EB426B.jpeg E3A32840-B5CF-4860-A87F-E8F95336C5BD.jpeg 60D7543D-A926-4F05-9C03-D2A7B1449CE4.jpeg 70641245-DCF7-411E-BDEE-956D927284B1.jpeg I thought I would help by showing the notes right-side-up and full size.
     
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  4. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Welcome to Coin Talk @Lisa rosenberg

    I believe the note ending in 77 is a partial offset error, and the note ending in 81 is a foldover error....I do not believe one error has anything to do with the other error. Maybe I’m wrong.
     
  5. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    They're four serial numbers apart because the presses use four plates in rotation. The foldover on the 81 note caused some ink to end up on the blanket that presses the paper against the plate, and then four sheets later, that ink ended up being transferred to the wrong side of the 77 note. Similar but fainter offsets would appear on notes 73, 69, 65, and so forth, until all of the stray ink wore away.

    Dunno much about error values myself, but having the two notes together should enhance the value a bit, I'd think.
     
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  6. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    The fold over error on 81 caused the offset transfer on 77.

    Can you show a picture of both sides of the fold over error fully unfolded? And folded back on the crease that runs through the word coeptis on the back?

    It looks like 81 was folded along the crease as shown when the back was printed. When the face was printed the sheet was folded on the same crease but also folded back on the crease that runs through coeptis in the Great Seal because a portion of the face is also printed over the small portion of the back of the note above that shows on the fold over.
     
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  7. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Good to know...learn something new every day.
     
  8. mikep

    mikep Active Member

    I answered this on Facebook also. Welcome to cointalk
     
  9. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I agree with the direct offset transfer. What makes me not feel right, is the numbers do not match in the series. The ser# are too far apart. there is a four # difference. If in stacked sheets, then this could not be its mate. There were others during the process.
     
  10. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I agree with the direct offset transfer. What makes me not feel right, is the numbers do not match in the series. The ser# are too far apart. there is a four # difference. If in stacked sheets, then this could not be its mate. There were others during the process.
     
  11. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    Numbers explained this above.
     
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  12. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    The number printed are series up/series down. As the highest started first, or lowest the started first. So, if the two above were in sequence, then the numbers are not, up or down in the two. Then there must have been more in this time frame. When a printing press has a run, sometime the problem is not just a single problem. Later I worked at a auto assy plant. If the person is at the work station, and makes a mistake that is one. When they put automation in, then the automation machines make the same mistake over and over till a human of another machine can ID the problem to correct it. So, it can be corrected.
     
  13. Drawde

    Drawde Lurking and learning...

    Dr Bart would love this set of notes...
     
  14. Lisa rosenberg

    Lisa rosenberg New Member

    Who is Dr. Bart? And how would I contact him?
     
  15. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Fred Bart is a well known authority on error notes.

    I have sent you a PM with his email address @Lisa rosenberg
     
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