Help Identifying dots/spots on coin.. Carbon Spots?

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  1. Nahuatl_19650

    Nahuatl_19650 New Member

    Hi everyone,

    This is my first post here. An old coworker of mine got met started with gold coins when I was 18 after he needed some quick cash. I was never strategic about purchases in the past. I would just buy coins I'd never seen before, and admire them whether good looking or not from Ebay (big mistake). I kid you not, I can spend hours sometimes just looking at coins.

    So, I went to a coin shop for the first time yesterday! I took all of my silver and general low value coins (most circulated Washington quarters, mercury dimes, some silver dollars, etc). All in all, I managed to get $400 for everything.

    I explained to the gentleman that I wanted something that would perhaps appreciate over the long run as I plan on holding my coins. I picked up the following for $600 (see below). I didn't do much research but it seemed like a good deal (too good perhaps?).

    Anyway, to the point; the coin looks great in the daylight. It also looks great under a lamp--until you move it around to certain angles (specifically, 180 degrees--upside down). There are these tiny dots. In the picture they don't look circular, but they are perfect circles as if something was sprinkled on the coin. I searched around and it appears that they can be carbon spots.

    What do you think they are? Will they get worse over time? The grade on the coin is MS66. Do you think that it had the spots when graded? Anyone else have this problem?

    Thank you. Moving forward, I want to be more strategic on the coins that I purchase.
     

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  3. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    Who graded this coin? Does not look like ms66 to me!
     
  4. Nahuatl_19650

    Nahuatl_19650 New Member

    SEGS -- I will say that the photo probably highlights the scratches and dents a bit more. Any suggestions on how to take the picture (perhaps in the daylight)?

    The SEGS # is as follows: 21499905

    I will upload grade, Cert # and daylight picture in the morning.
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2018
  5. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    A lot depends on when the coin was graded. This site is fairly good for off-major grading. The SEGS coins I purchased years ago at a show were vastly overgraded, but the current company says they are better now. But no, I am sorry the 66 was extremely generous, INMO. But you have it in hand and we just see photos. Jim
     
  6. Nahuatl_19650

    Nahuatl_19650 New Member

    If you search for the number on the SEGS website, it states that it was graded in 2003. http://www.segsgrading.com/Products/CoinLookup.aspx

    Thanks for your feedback. Any idea on the spots seen in the third picture?
     
  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter


    It is hard to tell from the photo as to size and especially how deep the spots are. Generally if very shallow, a standard COIN type silver dip could be used. If deeper, it might not be effective. Generally unless they are excessively large , they wouldn't affect the overall grade or attract a "environmental damage" on a slab. IMO, Jim
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The term carbon spots has become something of a colloquialism, a catch all phrase if you will, used to describe just about any dark colored spots on a coin. But in reality that is inaccurate for carbon spots are a specific thing and have a very distinct definition - they are literally specks of carbon (black spots) found in the alloy used to make the coin.

    These spots on your coin, that's not what they are. Yeah they're dark colored spots, but they were possibly, I might even say probably, caused by something along the lines of a sneeze or a cough getting saliva droplets onto the coin. And then over time those droplets turned dark in color by causing the metal to tone dark where they were. Spots similar to these are pretty common on many coins.

    Does the coin grade a 66 ? Not even close. Based on the pics the luster appears to be pretty subdued, even for a Peace dollar. But overall the coin is fairly clean in regard to contact marks. Sure there are some there but they are small and few in number. And the spots, well they are a detractor any way ya want to look at it. I'd have to see the coin in hand to judge the luster fairly but given what I can see I would not grade the coin higher than 64 and possibly even 63.
     
  9. heavycam.monstervam

    heavycam.monstervam Outlaw Trucker & Coin Hillbilly

    I would stick with the top 2 grading companies if you are going to spend $600 on a single coin. Honestly though, that coin is worth closer to $100 than $600. Idk what kind of return policy that shop has, but i would try and return it. The dealer who sold you that is a crook imo.

    BTW, i know a dealer or 2 that use SEGS frequently and ive heard that they will slab a coin at whatever grade you request. Quite the scandal !!
     
  10. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    Welcome to CT.
    Well I see a coin that got coughed or sneezed over at some point. I call it a MS63 green bean. So I agree with Doug this coins spots are human caused. Ironicly they could have been done at the grading firm before encapsulation! If you added some finger marks you’d have some of the reasons I don’t slab
     
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