The Five Bad Emperors

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  1. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    One fun, popular, and easily-obtained set in the Roman series is of the so-called five good emperors. I recently came across Emanuelle Degli Esposti's article for The Telegraph, "Rome's Most Controversial Emperors" and realized the emperors mentioned were five in number and serve as a contrast to the aforementioned good ones.

    The text is from the Telegraph article; the coins are from my collection.

    As always, feel free to post whatever you feel is relevant!

    Caligula
    (full name Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus) – Emperor from 37-41AD. The young Gaius earned the nickname Caligula, meaning "little boot", from his father's soldiers when accompanying him during his military campaign in Germania. Caligula was known for his cruelty, extravagance and sexual perversity. During his reign he strove to increase the authority of the emperor, earning him the reputation of a tyrant.

    Some sources suggest that he once ordered his guards to throw an entire section of the crowd into the arena to be eaten by deadly animals at some games he was presiding over because there were no criminals to be prosecuted and he was bored. He is also said to have proclaimed himself God and wanted pilgrims to worship a statue of him in the Temple of Jerusalem.

    Caligula Corith Pegasus.jpg
    Caligula, AD 37-41
    Roman provincial Æ 20 mm, 6.74 g
    Peloponnese, Corinthia, Corinth, Ae. P. Vipsanius Agrippa and M. Bellius Proculus, duoviri, AD 37-38
    Obv: C CAESAR AVGVSTV, bare head right
    Rev: M BELLIO PROCVLO IIVIR / COR, Pegasus flying right
    Refs: RPC I 1173; Amandry (1988) XVII; BCD Corinth 405-6.

    Nero (full name Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus) – Emperor from 54-68AD and the last of the Julio-Claudian dynasty. Nero's rule is often associated with tyranny and extravagance. He is known for a number of executions, including those of his mother, Agrippa, and the probable murder by poison of his stepbrother, Britannicus.

    He is also infamously known as the emperor who "fiddled while Rome burned", and as an early persecutor of Christians. He was known for having captured Christians burned in his garden at night for a source of light. This view is based upon the writings of Tacitus, Suetonius, and Cassius Dio, the main surviving sources for Nero's reign.

    Nero and Poppeae.jpg
    Nero and Poppaea Sabina
    Roman provincial billon Tetradrachm; 23.1 mm, 11.55 g
    Egypt, Alexandria, AD 64/65
    Obv: ΝΕΡΩ ΚΛΑV ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒ ΓΕΡ ΑV, radiate head of Nero, right
    Rev: ΠΟΠΠΑΙΑ ΣΕΒΑΣΤΗ, draped bust of Poppaea, right, LIA (year 11) before
    Refs: RCV 2002; SGI 664; RPC 5280; Köln 168; BMCG 124; Milne 223; Curtis 138; Cohen 315, 3; Emmett 128.

    Commodus (full name Lucius Aurelius Commodus Antonius) – Emperor from 180-192AD and also ruled as co-emperor with his father Marcus Aurelius from 177 until his father's death in 180. He was known for his depraved lifestyle, and reportedly had over 300 concubines. He once ridiculed a fat man by cutting open his stomach so that his intestines spilt on the floor.

    Commodus put to death the most illustrious men of the time, encouraged informers and false accusations and filled Rome with absolute terror. In the midst of these cruelties Commodus often sang, danced, or played the buffoon in public, as well as actually fighting as a gladiator in the circus (as immortalised by Joaquin Phoenix in the film Gladiator).

    Commodus Liberalitas denarius.jpg
    Commodus, AD 177-192
    Roman AR denarius, 3.42 g, 18 mm Rome, AD 180
    Obv: M COMMODVS ANTONINVS AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: LIB AVG TR P V IMP IIII COS II P P, Liberalitas standing left, holding counting-board and cornucopiae
    Refs: RIC 10; RSC 302; BMC 3; Szaivert 496/4.

    Caracalla (full name Lucious Septimus Bassianus) – Emperor from 209-217AD, he jointly ruled with his younger brother Geta until he murdered him, and reportedly 20,000 of his friends and supporters, in 211. Caracalla is remembered as one of the most notorious emperors due to the numerous massacres and persecutions he authorised throughout the empire. He was assassinated while urinating at a roadside near Carrhae on April 8, 217, by Julius Martialis, an officer of his personal bodyguard.

    Caracalla Denarius.jpg
    Caracalla AD 198-217
    Roman AR Denarius 3.37 g; 19.7 mm
    Rome mint, AD 211
    Obv: ANTONINVS PIVS AVG BRIT, laureate head, right
    Rev: INDVLG FECVNDAE, Julia Domna as Indulgentia, wearing polos, seated left on cerule chair, extending right hand and holding scepter
    Refs: RIC 214; BMCRE 73; RCV 6805.

    Elagabalus (full name Varius Avitus Bassianus) – Syrian-born emperor who reigned from 218-222AD. During his rule, Elagabalus showed a disregard for Roman religious traditions and sexual taboos. He replaced the traditional head of the Roman pantheon, Jupiter, with a lesser god and forced leading members of the government to participate in religious rites he personally lead.

    He reportedly married up to five times, enraging Roman society by taking one of the Vestal Virgins as his wife, and was rumoured to have homosexual affairs with some of his courtiers. He had the hairs plucked from his body in order to appear more female and appeared in public wearing make-up and women's clothing.

    Elagabalus Fortuna Antoninianus.jpg
    Elagabalus, AD 218-222
    Roman AR Antoninianus; 5.17 g, 21.3 mm
    Rome, AD 219
    Obv: IMP ANTONINVS AVG, radiate and draped bust, right
    Rev: P M TR PII COSII P P, Fortuna enthroned left, holding rudder on globe and cornucopiae; wheel below seat
    Refs: RIC 18; BMCRE 94; Cohen 148; RCV 7495.
     
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  3. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A more fun of a set
     
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  4. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Not sure Agrippa was Nero's mother :D

    Interesting meeting of bastards here, even though one might expect from a professionnal journalist a more historical than anecdotic approach. Not that I would have any of them as a friend, but each of them brought more to history than just their sexual deviances.

    Nice illustrations RC !

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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Excellent theme! I like it.
     
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  6. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    A good idea! Does it say something about me that I don't have a complete 5 good bset but have a 5 bad set?

    Caligula
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    Nero
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    Commodus
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    Caracalla
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    Elagabalus
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  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Elagabalus, with galley.jpg Interesting approach! And wonderful posts!!

    Each bad Emperor repels and fascinates at the same time;) and makes for a wonderfully interesting collection. An example of each of mine minus my missing sole example of Caligula.....

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    Caracalla denarius, Mars reverse.jpg nero denarius.jpg
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Caligula
    RI Gaius Caligula AE As 37-41 CE Vesta seated S-C.jpg
    RI Gaius Caligula AE As 37-41 CE Vesta seated S-C

    Nero
    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm Antioch Syria 54-68 CE Eagle HIP Regnal Year 8.jpg
    RI Nero AR Tetradrachm Antioch Syria 54-68 CE Eagle HIP Regnal Year 8

    Commodus
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    RI Commodus 177-192 CE AR Denarius 17.7mm 2.42g Apollo Plectrum Lyre RIC 218 RSC 25 BMCRE 292 Rare Type

    Caracalla
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    RI Caracalla 198-217 AR Quinarius CE 213 1.3g 13.6mm Laureate - Victory Wreath Palm RIC IV 101 RSC 450 RARE

    Elagabalus
    RProv AE18mm 4.3g Elagabalus CE  218-222 Thrace Philippolis Moushmov 5423.JPG

    RProv Elagabalus CE 218-222 AE 18mm 4.3g Thrace Philippolis Serpent entwined tripod Pythia Festival Moushmov 5423

     
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  9. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    @Mikey Zee I love the bust on your Commodus because you can really see the lion skin.

    @Alegandron I love those Syrian tets and hope to get one of Nero one day. Interesting Caracalla - not the usual denarius.
     
  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Great coins from the OP and also the additional photos. I'm still missing an Elagablus though I've bid on a nice Antioch tet of his in another auction. Hope I get it.
     
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  11. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    I believe you could pull the name of any Roman Emperor out of a hat and find ample reasons that they were "bad."

    The so-called "Good Emperors" from Nerva to Marcus Aurelius would be genocidal tyrants by any objective standard of morality. Severus Alexander may have been a good natured person who enjoyed nothing more than playing with puppies (yes ancient sources record that he loved playing with puppies), but he was so weak willed that he allowed his mother to to have his wife Orbiana exiled to North Africa and his father in law executed. Julius Caesar and Titus are both said to have presided over the deaths of more than a million people (and although those numbers may be high there is no question that they left a pile of corpses behind them.

    I do not say any of this to be critical of this thread, it is a good one that I have enjoyed reading and there are some great coins posted here. I'm just pointing out that the "good emperor" bar is set very low
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Hmmm... musing on the 5 GOOD Tyranical Population Killer Emperors... I still fall back on having 2 Consuls changing offices each year. No system is perfect, but absolute power in a few individuals over Humanity is always a scary proposition... It seems History can hate or adore them, the reality is life or death.

    Nerva
    RI Nerva AE Dupondius 96-98 CE LIBERTAS PVBLICA -pileus TIF.jpg
    RI Nerva AE Dupondius 96-98 CE LIBERTAS PVBLICA -pileus
    Ex: @TIF

    Trajan
    RI Trajan AR Denarius 98-117 CE Soldier over Vanquished Foe.jpg
    RI Trajan AR Denarius 98-117 CE Soldier over Vanquished Foe

    Hadrian
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    RI Hadrian AR Quinarius 1.30g, 14mm Rome, AD 119-122 cuirassed laureate COS III Victory seated wreath palm RIC 108a

    Antoninus Pius
    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE AR Denarius.jpg
    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE AR Denarius

    Marcus Aurelius
    RI MARCUS AURELIUS AR Den as Caesar TR POT VI COS II - Genius stg at altar hldg standard.jpg
    RI MARCUS AURELIUS AR Den as Caesar TR POT VI COS II - Genius stg at altar hldg standard
     
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  13. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Great idear !

    The good and the bad:

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  14. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

  15. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I have not actually put together a complete set of the five good emperors.
    :(

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    Hadrian, AD 117 - 138
    AE as, 10.8g, 27mm; 6h; Rome mint, AD 128 - 132
    Obv.: HADRIANVS AVGVSTVS PP; laureate head right
    Rev.: COS III, S C in fields; Salus, draped, standing right, feeding out of patera in left hand snake held in right hand

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    Antoninus Pius, AD 138-161
    AE, As, 27mm, 9.3g; 2h; Rome, AD 148-149
    Obv.: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P TR P XII; Laureate head right, aegis on left shoulder
    Rev.: MVNIFICENTIA AVG; elephant walking right with trunk raised
    In Ex.: COS IIII SC
    Ref.: RIC III 862(a), p. 134

    MVNIFICENTIA AVG refers to the games he held during the celebration of his vota decenallia (AD 149).
     
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  16. GerardV

    GerardV Well-Known Member

    It doesn't say anything bad about you...as far as you know. :woot:
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    This is an excellent point. But of course we with our 21st century attitudes can never fully understand those of our 1st, 2nd, 3rd century predecessors.

    I'm certainly glad to live in the time I do, and despite my distaste for some of today's world leaders, I'd prefer to live under almost any of them (the constitutional ones, anyway) than under the absolute rule of any Roman or other ancient emperors or kings.

    It's sure nice to live in a reasonably safe Western democracy at the dawn of the third millennium AD, and have the luxury of collecting and enjoying coins from darker days, and imagining what that must have been like.

    Let's face it; from a dramatic standpoint, conflict and tyranny, villainy and strife, are far more interesting to think about than stability and harmony.

    Best to LIVE in relatively peaceful, stable times and READ about the darker, more dangerous ones.
     
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  18. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    I'm still working on the five good emperors. The five villainous emperors sounds like a great collection goal also.
     
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  19. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Good point about the low bar. Also these guys may be better named "the 5 most slandered emperors." :)
    (I haven't posted the Caracalla before. It's the Pluto + Cerberus reverse, seems fitting for this thread.)

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  20. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Great coins all! I can't participate because the Telegraph writer mysteriously left out Domitian!
     
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    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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