2013 struck with proof reverse die??

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  1. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    i found this 2013 p that has the FG more spaced out and smaller then usual. Last photo is normal I’m wondering if it could be like how the Wams occur
     

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  3. Insider

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    My 2013 and other dates look just as yours. Let's see what others say.
     
  4. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    If memory serves me, I do believe that's the basic story regarding WAMs, yes.

    I also see what you mean on your coin, but it would take much more than one less than ideal photo of a single coin to make such a case imo. The basic concept behind Occam's Razor should apply here...
     
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  5. cpm9ball

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    FG or LB?

    I think we need a good "Whammy" here.

    Chris
     
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  6. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    Yup LB
     
  7. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    What’s the conecpt behind Occam’s Razor?? I’m sorry lol I haven’t heard of that before
     
  8. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    I don’t know, I’m looking through all my 2013s right now and I can’t find another like it
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here it is -
    Definition of Occam's razor - a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

    Got it? :rolleyes:
     
  10. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    It's basically that the most likely explanation is also the right one. In this case, what would better explain what we're seeing: that a PR die was somehow used, or that it's the result of a striking issue.
     
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  11. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    What would the striking issue be? And I mean that’s what happened on the 2000,1999,1998 Wide AM cents
     
  12. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    This is a "DIE" characteristic having nothing to do with the strike!
     
  13. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    So then what’s your opinion on it? I just checked a bunch of 2013s. None were like it
     
  14. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Have you yet come across a thread where someone is insisting they've found a 1992 close AM simply because they've found another of the same date minutely wider spacing? Perhaps not the best example, but will hopefully clarify the point.
     
  15. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    Yea that’s true I’ve seen those a lot. But it’s not just the spacing. The size looks much smaller and thinner. I’m not really sure what it’s about
     
  16. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    No, I understand and even took the time to compare a few photos before posting. However, I guess my greater point is that this one example isn't enough to make the case presented. The issue in question is very small unlike said WAMs, but still, if you could find coins from the same die displaying the anomaly, while still not conclusive, let's just say it wouldn't hurt any.
     
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  17. cpm9ball

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    I'm sure there are more than 2 billion coins produced. How many have you checked?

    Chris
     
  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I do believe that this is a certain die characteristic. The LB has a certain fatness to it, which is most likely due to the die itself. Die deterioration is also gonna be a factor. Do you have a proof cent? If so, take a photo so that we can compare the coins under the same magnification and lighting.
    PS I don't see anything that will be of significant value at this point, they are to close to compare.
     
  19. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    That’s what I was trying to find. I unfortunately do not have a proof shield
     
  20. Alcoinsandcards

    Alcoinsandcards Active Member

    Around 20 right now
     
  21. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I bet google could be of some assistance here. ;)
     
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