Bought a Salonina

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  1. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    I am going to try building a small Roman Emperor/ Empress set. I Have a Gallienus so far and a Salonina seemed like a logical next step.

    Anyways this one set me back $10 and I think I got a deal. Bought from the same collector I got my Gallienus from and ended up being my last coin purchase of 2017.

    Here is what I have been able to attribute on it so far.
    Obverse shows Salonina AVG- Salonina draped bust right on crescent.
    Reverse appears to be INVO REGINA Juno standing left holding patera and scepter.
    Solonina.jpg

    I have found several that fit this description on Wildwinds.com, but so far have not been able to narrow it down to just one. Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks again for looking...Mont
     
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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a Salonina tet - actually my last coin purchase of 2017.

    EGYPT, Alexandria

    Billon Tetradrachm, 23mm, 9.8 grams, 12h

    Dated RY 15 (A.D. 267-268)

    Obverse: KOPNHALA CAAONEINA CEB;
    Diademed and draped bust right.

    Reverse: Eagle standing right, holding wreath in beak; palm in left field, L IE to right

    Reference: Koln 2983; Dattari 5346; Milne 4189; Curtis 1642; Emmett 3854

    salonina1.jpg

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  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Looks to me like RIC V-I 13
     
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    This one is a tricky one. It's from the joint reign of Gallienus and Valerian and can be confused with a couple of similar ones. Note it doesn't have a peacock at Juno's feet. That distinguishes it from RIC 92/Gobl 1619f from the sole reign.

    Yours is from the Rome mint, RIC 29; Gobl 227b; RCV 10640; Cunetio 651.

    There is a similar one, distinguished by bust style, from Antioch, RIC 64; Gobl 1593c, Cohen 60, Cunetio 1844:

    Salonina IVNO REGINA Antoninianus (j).jpg
     
  6. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    Thank you. I was thinking this might be it. This is the one I used as a description for it. I discounted it though because the "Drape " looked different on mine. I guess that could be due to the difference in the wear on the obverse on mine versus the Wildwind photo.
     
  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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  8. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    Started a new Ancients folder and added them...Thanks.

    Okay I have a couple more questions if you all don't mind.

    1st.
    How can one tell this? Not questioning it, I just don't know what mint marks looks like on ancient coins.

    2. What is the difference between " SALONINA AVG, Salonina draped bust right on crescent" and "SALONINA AVG, diademed, draped bust right on crescent"?

    Thanks again...Mont.
     
  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    There aren't mint marks on this issue. It's a matter of recognizing the style, I'm afraid.

    The diadem is the tiara she wears on her head. Yours shows a diademed and draped bust.
     
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  10. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    So then it isn't RIC29 then. That ones just says "Draped Bust Right".

    This looks to be right as it says "diademed, draped bust right" in the description.
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That is a far better than usual Salonina and not the most commonly seen type. At $10 I would call it a great purchase. I wish you continued luck in finding such coins to add to your collection.
     
  12. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

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    Salonina AE Antoninianus, Rome mint, AD 260-268 (sole reign), 3.4g, 24mm

    OBV: CORNEL SALONINA AVG, Diademed draped bust right on a crescent.

    REV: FECVNDITAS AVG, Fecunditas, standing left, holding cornucopiae, child at feet left, officina letter A to right.

    REF: Sear 10633 var (obv. legend); Göbl 662s. RIC 5A

    Ex: ECIN
     

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  13. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    I know nothing about value on these. The gentleman I buy them from is a well respected member on another site. So I trust he isn't selling me any cast fakes. I tell him what I have to spend and what I am looking for and he sends me photos of my choices. I try to pick the one that has the most detail.

    He is currently picking some Silver Denarii from the 2nd century for me to choose from. This one is set at $20 max. Kinda excited to see what he comes up with.
     
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  14. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting this link, RC. It is a remarkable page. However, I noticed that Mr. Flinn prefers Goebl (copyright 2000) over RIC (1927) and things really changed. RIC leads off with listing for the mint at Lugdunum, but apparently Goebl doesn't credit attribution to that mint at all (though some Vcoin sellers still do). For Salonina how do we correlate the Goebl and RIC listings? Is there a published guide for that somewhere?

    (oe = o- umlaut)

    BTW is volume 35 of the Goebl set available separately, to your knowledge?
     
  15. MontCollector

    MontCollector Well-Known Member

    I chose a Marcus Aurelius that features Concordia on the reverse. The sellers says Concordia symbolizes his co-rule with his adoptive brother/stepson, Lucius Verus. The reverse also shows TR P XVI, which according to the seller pins this down to 162 AD Marcus Aurelius's 2nd year as emperor.

    The seller is shipping both the Salonina and this coin in same shipment. Can't wait to get them.
     
  16. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    RIC is out of date and incomplete and Göbl reflects the most recent numismatic scholarship and is far more complete.

    Unfortunately, there isn't a published guide that correlates the listings, but the two Gallienus sites I linked to do this.

    You can buy Göbl at Amazon, but it'll set you back about $450.
     
  17. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Ah, thanks for the reply, RC. I was afraid you were going to report that information gap. Going on 18 years and no published discussion of the problem nor uniform correlation of the information. What does that say about the state of the hobby at the professional levels? Maybe the problem isn't interesting enough? Ah well. Where does one go to get the tools?

    $450 on Amazon? The gougers are busy, I see. Ready to take advantage of the apparent gap in information. The book (vol 35) is available from the publisher in Austria for 112EUR plus shipping. Text is in German.
    https://verlag.oeaw.ac.at/Reihen/Moneta-Imperii-Romani


    I see you have an umlaut. I'd like that and the currency symbol for euros. Is there a font control here that permits international characters?
     
  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I write some things in Microsoft Word and then copy and paste.
     
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