One thing keeping me from getting coins graded...

I can post you countless links about chemtrails being used to control populations, doesn't mean there is anything to it.

Lots of reasons.
They can't grade as well as they think they can so the TPG must be at fault.
They use a different grading standard than the market.
Disgruntled customer who didn't get the grade they want.
They hate the TPGs.
They think difinitive conclusions can be drawn from pictures and don't understand how the picture process is impacting a coins appearance.
They heard it from someone else.

The list can go on and on.

You'd have to write a book to cover it all.

 

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I hate the need for TPG's too, but I usually get sweet grades from them. I'm just a nut.

 

Has this been certified and CAC'd?

 

Only certification is needed. Everyone who seeks beans is a nut by definition.

What ARE beans? Seeds, right?
What are nuts? Also seeds.

See where this goes?

 

V. Kurt Bellman, poster: "Graders at TWO and EXACTLY TWO (no third one) firms are "Major Leaguers". They're better at it than you or I. That's no excuse to stop working on your game."

I am totally astonished at this [Self EDIT] post coming from you. This is 100% NUTS! What did you get into, the catnip?

Ok, you like NGC that's #1. I'm going to guess ANACS is #2 due to the seminar classes you say you've taken. Am I correct?

In any case, you have posted for all to see that in your opinion the graders working at the third and fourth (again - opinion) are "rookies" on the "farm team." [Self EDIT].

In my better informed opinion, I know three former TPGS clerks at the first and second tier TPGS's that can out grade and out authenticate your [Self EDIT]. BTW, they've been promoted to "major league" graders.

 

Ah yes, we know this is your steadfast conviction. But your count is not EVERYBODY'S count. To wit:

 

GDJMSP, posted: "Hmmm, when you say "lower their standards" what exactly do you mean ? I'm asking because if you mean - "would they really lower their grading standards for money ?" - well, they did that a long time ago, the 1st time. And then they did it again, and then they did it again."

Very well said. They even gave the "evolution" of grading standards a fancy name. It begins with a "G."

 

No, no, no. Never misinterpret my antipathy for PCGS's management and customer service personnel for my opinion of its graders. They are great people stuck in a rotten company, IMNSHO.

Let me be TOTALLY clear. I trust MY grade opinion over ANY at ANY other TPGS than NGC or PCGS, period. Nothing on any of their slabs informs or interests me one whit. At least on a NGC or PCGS slab, if I have a different opinion, it warrants whipping out a better glass and giving it a second (or eighth) look.

 

V. Kurt Bellman, posted: Ah yes, we know this is your steadfast conviction. But your count is not EVERYBODY'S count. To wit:


What the heck does this mean? Many seek to hide [Self Edit] with humor.

Please let us all know what TWO and ONLY TWO services you consider to have the "big boys" in the grading room.

You are reminding me of another member who has me on "Ignore" because he couldn't defend his "made-up" misinformation about the U.S. Mint among other things.

 

Post #109. I do give ANACS props for their "rep" on VAMS in particular, a subject that holds zero interest for me.

 

V. Kurt Bellman, posted: "Let me be TOTALLY clear. I trust MY grade opinion over ANY at ANY other TPGS than NGC or PCGS, period."

That's makes sense. Most will agree with this and the commercial market shows it.
It's too bad others working for second tier services rate so low in your eyes.

 

There has to be a "feeder series".

 

The TPG’s flitting to whatever flower makes them the most MONEY!

 

Kurt you spoiled it. My bee is cute and friendly looking and your bees are drunken debauched bees!
Do you always have to spoil it?

 

They're KILLER bees. How much warm and fuzzy do you expect?

 

I’m gonna take my Bee and go. You.....you.....Snark

 

I'm saying that IN THE PRESENT DAY, taking into account the TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, aside from specialty attributions like VAMS, nothing from any company other than PCGS or NGC is persuasive to me. Both NGC and PCGS, if and when I disagree with their findings, are entitled to more deference and an additional look, but only that. BTW, ANACS used to be entitled to that same deference, even aside from VAM's. That was a different era. They no longer are.

If I'd have to "blame" you for ANY shortcoming, Doug, it would be stubbornly living in the past, and obsessing over how much better things used to be.

I agree that things have changed and still continue to do so, but I think at least some of it is improvement.

I'll add this - only twice have I thoroughly disagreed with a NGC or PCGS beyond the "hmm, okay, I guess" level, and both times my initial opinion was verified by resubmitting the coin. Once, they moved their grade to what mine initially was, and in the other, it became one of those "hmm, okay, I guess" jobs.

BTW, that applies to coins I own. I've seen lots of "somebody was high" coins in dealers' stock, and high-end auction catalogs. I will admit that looking at Heritage and S/B coins "in the hand" in lot-viewing rooms, does reduce that feeling somewhat.

There ARE times when my medical condition temporarily monkeys with my eyesight, and occasionally that happens on a coin trip. When it does, I change my expectations of what I can get done, until it clears up. The upside of those times is I can drive without my glasses then, so I have some fun that way.

If you're ever at an ANA show and nobody with ANA knows where Bellman is, I'm out taking pictures.