One thing keeping me from getting coins graded...

The image you posted in post #4 answers everything for me. That coins been dipped old school to many times and now will never be the right color-ever!

 

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Just hold it for a couple of years - things will change. TPGs need raw coins - as the population of raw coins decrease - their standards will change as to what is acceptable. Folks will stop using them when it gets to the point a majority of submissions are thrown back due to these types of issues.

 

Post #4? All those I posted after the first post straight graded. Thats my point

 

Got ya. That’s why it’s so dang hard to work off of the images. To look at that #4 picture I’d bet money that suckers been chemically dipped to many times and thus the crazed looking surface.
Good luck.
Reed

 

Thats interesting. Yeah TPGs dont have a lot of options as they run out of gradeable coins. They can go out of business or start straight grading the "questioable" ones...I cant see either of those things being good options. A third option would be lowering the price of grading to get all of those coins in slabs that are worth less than the price of grading. Do you think they would really lower their standards for money?

 

Yeah I bet its dipped too. Thats the point. I think theres a ton of randomness in this. Im a skeptic/cynic at heart. Ive heard they have deals with dealers who submit a ton and they get better grades and coins through that I couldnt get through, etc. I dont think it would be THAT hard for a TPG to have integrity. Judge each coin on its own merit regardless of where it comes from or what batch its in, etc. Integrity = less revenue though. This sort of stuff and that sham lawsuit and on and on...just a big scam. They have so many proponents with skin in the game that I think it never becomes clear to the coin collecting public at large what a scam it really is. They've even got Insider singing their praises now

 

I think they would wrap the slab in wax paper with a stick of hard gum in them if it made them more money.

 

Oh it's nothing so base as all that. It's worse. After truly all the slab-worthy coins are in plastic (not even close yet), then they will decide we need a 100 point grading scale, and VOILA! Revenue!

 

But will we get our gum?

 

The stale stuff left over from 1970's card packs? Yeah, probably the very same pieces, in fact.

Ew. I just grossed myself out.

 

I don't think so unless collectors decide they want that first. Too much money could potentially be lost with a massive system regrade. That idea has been proposed before and went no where. Something else besides the */+ could be possible and actually much more likely to keep splitting hairs or added services like TruViews. PCGS is considering doing a Video version of the TruViews instead of a static picture as an exampe

 

Now, now, doc, let's not go splitting hares!

 

With CAC you already got a 140 point scale.

 

Then I must count by 2's, because although I've had hundreds of coins graded by NGC, I've never had even ONE submitted to CAC, nor will I ever, nor will I ever pay ANY PREMIUM WHATSOEVER for one that DOES have a CAC sticker, green, gold, or chartreuse.

 

You are throwing around a lot of claims and hearsay. Unfortunately, this kind of
generates a lot of "action" and opinion and I guess that is a good thing of CT. Care to let us know your how you learned all of this? Are you capable of disputing the opinions of highly-paid, experienced professional graders?

mrjason71, posted: "Yeah I bet its dipped too. Ok, based on what? Thats the point. I think theres a ton of randomness in this. News Flash: Ever hear/read that grading is SUBJECTIVE? Do you want to take a guess at why this is so? Never mind, it's because there are too many variables coupled with uninformed collectors who never learned to grade! At least the professionals can usually get VERY CLOSE to agreement. That's why TPGS are necessary. Note, there are even services that watch them. Im a skeptic/cynic at heart. Good, I am also. More like us is good for the hobby. I've heard they have deals with dealers who submit a ton and they get better grades and coins through that I couldnt get through, etc. Very interesting. I've heard that in a few days a big, fat guy is going to break into my house and leave stuff for my nephews. Do I need to write another example of this nonsense? Now, human nature being what it is, has any underhanded stuff gone on at a TPGS. ABSOLUTELY! The government went after one of them a while back. If what you say goes on every day, we all would know about it and it would be very bad for TPGS business. I dont think it would be THAT hard for a TPG to have integrity. Judge each coin on its own merit regardless of where it comes from or what batch its in, etc. Integrity = less revenue though. This sort of stuff and that sham lawsuit and on and on...just a big scam. They have so many proponents with skin in the game that I think it never becomes clear to the coin collecting public at large what a scam it really is. You know what, YOU JUST ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION and it only came after four pages. I don't think you should use the TPGS and I do know that very few people care.

They've even got Insider singing their praises now. Actually, the tune you cannot hear is me whistling "Dixie."

 

About the idea that "certain submitters" get higher grades than others, yes, this is undeniably true. People who invest heavily in learning how to grade, actually spend a few bucks for courses, absolutely DO tend to receive higher grades on average.

Now, your 15-point bonus question: Why do you suppose that is?

Hint: No conspiracy is involved.

 

Nonsense internet rumor

 

It's almost like knowing what you're doing leads to a lot less surprises

 

Almost.

 

Not JUST there.