One thing keeping me from getting coins graded...

This is a really real thing. And it can swing both ways.

 

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Ugh that's horrible...is that how it works? coins a, b, and c bias the grading of coin d?

 

Over the years I've had 20-30 coins bag from PCGS due to QC. I resubmitted 80% of those to PCGS again and all straight graded. The grading process is the opinion of the graders who are working at the time. There are several groups of graders and their work schedule is rotated.

 

mrjason71, posted: "I guess that's moot because how could you prove it? You can't prove it! That's why it's questionable." and..."it's damn near impossible for a laymen to recognize authentic color."


No, it is not moot, and in most cases YOU CAN PROVE IT. It is more of a legal thing. And...NO, anyone with a good eye, an interest to learn who studies enough coins can get to be as good as the next expert. Problem is, TPGS guys see more coins in a week than the average colloctor will see in a year or two. Additionally, they get OTJ training. It's like going to a grading seminar for color and toning.

 

Not quite like that, but if you sent in a submission that had 3 or 4 other questionable color coins with it the good one is going to be under a lot of suspicion and if there's any doubt it'll get hit too.

 

I know how frustrating it can be, but with experience you can differentiate. There will still be those rare cases where experts disagree, but the vast majority of problem coins, including questionable color, are pretty straightforward calls once you know what you are looking for.

Now, you are correct that this business practice plays into the TPGs hands, as do many others. I would encourage you to continue learning and if you like raw coins, like I do, find areas of the hobby where collecting raw is de rigueur. With areas of numismatics where TPGs have taken over, like Lincolns, it really does become a red flag if a valuable coin is not graded; whereas in areas like Early American copper, colonials, or ancients it would not be a concern.

 

I don't care if I send in 10,000 AT'd coins in a batch, they need to find the one good one in there, don't they? Or what good is it?

You can prove it's AT? Then why is it questionable? Should just say AT. By legal you mean like to cover there butt?

 

This is what I mean by swinging both ways. If you have 3 or 4 real solid ones and the last one just looks "different", it'll get the jaundiced eye.

 

Oh my. What a world THAT would be! I know it sounds like a trite expression and a pain in the butt, but there REALLY is no substitute for having looked at thousands and thousands of coins. And I mean in the flesh, not pictures online.

 

Because I could never afford red ones lol

 

@mrjason71

You have posted some very fine and valuable coins. If you don't feel comfortable buying raw coins on your own, get a good dealer to help you or BEST OF ALL, buy coins already slabbed.

No disrespect but your question has been asked and answered by many knowledgeable folks here. I'm not going to continue playing yes, but... I have nephews around for the holidays that do that.

BTW, your question has livened up the forum.

 

Agreed, it would certainly be more likely to get the benefit of the doubt in that situation

 

This also lends itself to the notion that nothing is provable...that it's all opinion...Man I don't want to know what that feels like--to send my babies in and have them in that questionable color slab. And what mixed feelings one must have upon receiving straight grading the second time: happy it's straight graded but there must be a feeling of being scammed. I've read this a number of times: Just keep submitting til coin gets the right grader...Amazing such huge value is placed on a system such as this. I know I know: It's better than nothing...

 

Ok see ya. Thanks.

 

Nephews lol...

 

I once made the mistake of sending two "San Diego" commem halves in the same submission to NGC. One was rewarded by the internal comparison and got a higher than dreamt of grade. The other one got hammered. I sent it back in and it scored two points higher the second time, about what I originally expected.

 

It's not that simple, it just goes back to what I was saying initially. Everyone has different tastes and standards when it comes to toning. A lot of people get very few surprises with their toning grades but but even they will have their disagreements. The TPGs have people trying to slip toners by them all the time and they don't know the history of a coin so they generally will error on the side of caution.

It's a different animal than just grading and does get impacted by company policy as well. Unless they've changed NGC basically flat out refuses to straight grade modern toners as an example.

I try and separate out gold now, either the gold or silver usually ends up below what I expected whenever I have mixed and matched.

 

So it's just a game. Fair enough. Learn to play it and take advantage of it. Sounds good. Im trying to really know what's going on before I jump in. I've looked at my share of coins and I was just really taken aback by the original one I posted. It really looks market acceptable to me. I tried to provide some examples of some similarly colored coins that straight graded. Maybe not the best examples from my 5 minute search. I feel if I look long enough I can find one that looks just like that one that gets straight graded. Is that original coin I posted just questionable? Period. Always? Or does it get straight graded on resubmission? That's where I'm lost. It can't be both. It either never gets through or it gets through sometimes and if it gets through sometimes I'd argue its market acceptable.