About 8 months i posted a British 2010 (Ironworks) 2£ major DDO on here. I subsequenly found a total of ten pieces. I was no able to find anything online pertaining to these coins. I emailed the Royal Mint upon the first find. I never recieved a reply. I reposted all of them in error coins recently after 5 were graded and i recieved the last one. Upon encourangement by a fellow member. I contacted several places, sent 1 to ICG for the discovery label and also decided to contact the mint again. This time i called them. I was referred to their Royal Mint Museim staff that evidently handles thier errors. I talked with Mrs Trumper and got her work email and sent the following pictures after explaning that i have had the coins checked and authenticated by NGC and PCGS (the only ones the have). After about 10 days i recieved this response. Now i know decisions are hard to make from photos even HD ones, but it seems very quick and easy for them to write it off as "die chatter". I would think they would have taken it into consideration that several (5) expert opinions are unlikely to be wrong ( not that TPGs dont make mistakes), but generally not 5 seperate occasions. Actually im not really sure what die chatter is. The internet didnt have any great definitions of this if anyone knows please tell me. So i replied and asked if i send my coin to them would they would be able to give me a definitive answer. This is the reply i got. So after new year 2018 i will send them 1 of the ungraded pieces. Im very interested if their report will be the same as their email or they will state its an error. Either way i will have a definative report on record from them. 1. Has anyone else ever had to deal with a mint( US, UK or any other mint)before with something like this. 2. My previous above question concerning die chatter. 3. Any other input you might have. Thank Chris
Since you enjoy lists, 1: Pretty cool DDO. Green with envy. Yes, it is a very clear Doubled Die (not mechanical doubling, or "die chatter".) 2: For what purpose are you contacting the Mint? My feeling is that Fiona isn't going to be a coin collector, and even less likely a variety specialist. Probably more a sales rep/administrative assistant type person (if they are responding to a publicly available email contact form.) Used to helping people complete orders, give out info about upcoming products, etc. Just curious what your end game is here...not like any Mint I've heard of certifies errors/die varieties.
The royal mint museum from my understanding maintains their museum and also evaluates their errors. They do have quailified personnel for this from minting staff etc. The end game was finding out if they had knowledge of the error as its not a need a microscope type ddo. Now its seeing what their decision will be based on in hand examination. Chris
Gotcha. Was just curious...seemed as if you had already received confirmation of the variety from PCGS and NGC, so I wasn't sure why to contact the Mint. Either way, cool coins. Will be looking out for my own!
I agree contacting the mint is unnecessary at this point, the TPGs have given the answer for what it is. There's really nothing they're going to add at this point and plenty of people that could add basically what they would. Just remember the double eagle case started this way too, I realize more value was involved there if you do send it in and the Mint (foreign or domestic) decides they're keeping it you've lost it forever.
There is no way I'd send in a rare (or error) coin to the mint. They consider that stuff to be their property and you're likely to never get it back. My understanding is that mint policy is to destroy errors. Add to that the fact that they won't recognize any numismatic value to the coin above its face value. Rule of thumb: Government is Evil; never voluntarily engage. Ever.
"Die chatter" is an old term for what we now call Machine Doubling Damage. Your coin is definitely NOT "Die Chatter" or MDD. It is most certainly a DDO.
I appreciate the opinions guys, thanks. The double eagle was different it was considered stolen from the mint and therefore mint property. I will still send them one and see their opinion. Not all government is bad. Chris Thank you very much i learned something new today. I figured it was either a British term or something i had never heard of. Chris
It's happened in more cases than the double eagle especially with errors. It's up to you but I wouldn't be surprised if they keep it. Regardless I just don't see what the point is, there isn't anything they're going to say that isn't already known about it or could be found out about it from variety/error experts.
I don’t often agree with @baseball21 on much, but here he’s absolutely correct. What on earth is to be gained by sending this to the BRM? Nothing good can possibly come from that. The best possible outcome is that they don’t rip you off. Would you play any other game where you can only lose or tie? There is nothing here to be won by putting this in the hands of the British Royal Mint.
I don’t know squat about dealing directly with a Mint but I think the TPG has got it right. If it was my coin, I think I would be on my merry way.
Send me your coins, I’ll “misplace” them and since I live in the US it’ll cost you less for postage!!!!!
