COUNTERFEIT COINS

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by j wesolowski, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. j wesolowski

    j wesolowski New Member

    i most recently became the not so proud owner of two counterfeit coins a 1840 seated liberty dollar and a 1876-s trade dollar i traded 16 oz of silver bullion for that opportunity sorry i dont have pictures but they are good worn examples vg to fine condition i bought them from a trusted individual only problem they are strongly attracted to a magnet the seller is out of work and has spent the money and no longer has my silver or the immediate means to pay me back i honestly believe he was unaware they were not real my question is what legal recourse do i have thanks for
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  3. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    If you don't have anything in writing ....
    My sympathies.
     
  4. j wesolowski

    j wesolowski New Member

    could i involve the authorities as this involves us coins
     
  5. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Where do you live? Where was the transaction performed?

    Unless it's in the US, you have no case in US law.
     
  6. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    You couuld sue him in small claims and probably win a judgement. But what is the use if the dude has no money.
     
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  7. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    Don't know about where you live but here it costs $50 to file a claim. And if the other party denies it then it become a moot point. And if he doesn't have any money you have won nothing. Better to file it under "bad experiences" and move on.
     
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  8. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Forget it and move on.
     
  9. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I guess this was done privately. If this was on ebay / paypal, there might have been some recourse.
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Are you kidding @j wesolowski ! I doubt that the seller didn't know they were counterfeit. I wonder if he tried to pawn them off on some dealer, first? Heck, when it comes to money, you can't even trust relatives. Report him to the Secret Service!

    Chris
     
  11. Beefer518

    Beefer518 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, the Secret Service is not interested in these types of counterfeits. They are only concerned about modern currency that is still in circulation. In May, I bought a counterfeit Trade Dollar, and had a long conversation with with an agent from my local SS office (Tampa, FL), and was told that the best option was to have it verified as a counterfeit by an independent coin dealer, and then try to get my money back. Luckily, it was an ebay purchase, and I had very little difficulty getting my money back, but the SS was not a helpful resource.

    If who you bought them from is so trusted, I'd suggest easy monthly payments for the return of your money.
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    First, are you really 73. If the guy (dealer?) you got them from is broke, what would the cops do? Keep friendly and maybe you can get your money back when he gets flush.
     
  13. j wesolowski

    j wesolowski New Member

    yes 73 been collecting since 14 first time for everything they would pass everything but a magnet
     
  14. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    Why didn't check them with a magnet before purchase? Seams like common sense.
     
  15. j wesolowski

    j wesolowski New Member

    didn't have one with me was buying ih cents when
    he showed me the silver dollars
     
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Been there...done that
     
  17. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    From your description, I can't help but to think you're likely better off working with him than taking any other type of action, especially since you seem to have some level of confidence in this fellow.

    Even though many are happy to jump on the intentional wagon whenever counterfeits are mentioned, this kind of thing does happen in a hobby where so many involved view knowledge as optional. If this dude genuinely feels bad about it, he's going to do what he can to make it right as well as be upfront with you. Even if only a token amount here and there, actions speak louder than works and is what I would really want to see from him at this point. Good luck to you, sir.
     
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  18. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Commonly counterfeited coins both especially more common 1840s dated seated dollars and of course trade dollars which have been counterfeited since new. My advice for everyone that doesn’t know all the earlier dollar series (trade dollars back) extremely well . ONLY BUY SLABBED OR FROM DEALER THAT WILL GUARANTEE AUTHENTICITY IN WRITING!!! I’ve said it before and I’m sure it’s not the last time if you don’t know trade dollars DO NOTBUY RAW
     
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  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    sad, but if he has no money, you are basically screwed
     
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