Bela IV

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    This coin sat in @John Anthony for awhile & decided to give it a home since it got lower priced more my speed.


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    Bela IV (1235 - 1270 A.D.)
    Hungary
    AR denar
    O: REX*-BELA+, king enthroned facing, holding scepter.
    R: MONETA REGISP HVNGARIA, pearled cross, four stars around.
    .64g
    14mm
    Reference: Huszár 320; CNH 253.
    From the @Sallent Collection; From the Kenneth Miller Collection of Ake-Ptolemaïs and Related Biblical Coins
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Nice coin @Mat I like the figure on the obverse. These Hungarian deniers are interesting coins. Nice purchase.
     
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  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Very nice - I had been eyeing that one myself.
     
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  5. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    This may be Bela IV...or maybe III?

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    Bela III - Bela IV of Hungary, 1172-1270 AD, AR Bracteate

    Head right, reverse incuse of obverse. Unger 122. 16 mm, 0.4 g
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice.
     
  7. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Cool addition Mat
     
  8. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin. The coins of BIII and BIV seem to arrive in rough condition. This is a very nice example.
     
  9. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Very nice! Another coin that I was tempted to buy :rolleyes:. Decided that I had enough Hungarian denars in my collection.

    Hungary: Béla IV (1235-1270) Bracteate Denár (Huszár-200)

    Bracteate: Conjoined three-headed face; Legend around - BELA REX

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  10. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    That is a fascinating bust!
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Neat toning. I wouldn't have guessed it for an AR at first, had I not already known better. I like the cross and miniature crosses.

    Didn't I send you a Hungarian denar once? If memory serves, it was pre-1500, so undated. All of my attention on these has thus far been spent on the postmedieval dated coins from the 16th and 17th centuries.
     
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  12. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    @lordmarcovan
    Yup, is an overstrike and still have it, you even replied.

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-109602
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Well, hey, lookie there. Indeed I did reply ... three and a half years ago. You can see how crystal clear my powers of recollection are.

    Cool stuff. Hey, while I've got y'all on the topic of bracteates, does anybody know if the TPGs will grade them? I don't think so. I've seen some I really liked.
     
  14. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic


    @Barry Murphy works at NGC, he may be able to tell you.
     
  15. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    They do grade them as I seen several graded in HAs auctions...
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Thanks. I have wondered about that.
     
  17. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    These are pretty cool. I have my collection of 1500-1676 denar that is pretty well fleshed out but that’s about it.
     
  18. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    NGC does not holder the Bracteate issues.

    Barry Murphy
     
  19. Okidoki

    Okidoki Well-Known Member

    Hi Mat,

    it has that golden glow on it very nice
     
  20. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    JA's photo of the coin is too dark. This picture shows the color best.

    Bela IV AR Denar Hungary.jpg

    I'm happy you are enjoying one of my former coins @Mat , especially so seeing how I am enjoying a few of your former coins too. :)
     
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  21. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Agreed and good to hear :)
     
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