Ebay Delemma

That is correct.
They do not state FB (as Cody said the buyer said) and not MS (as the buyer stated).
Sounds like buyer remourse.

 

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Holy smokes, that slipped right past me. It is correct.

 

I had a Barber returned to me in a body bag: only note: cleaned.

Drum roll....and that is all that she wrote.

Gotta be baloney.

 

There are several interesting factors in this whole thread.

For starters, as a group, many of us tend to look at ebay auctions with a lot of skepticism. A proof Merc is not something I would buy on ebay unless slabbed is the first point (might want to make note of that Cody). Buyer beware right? Even though this is not our usual case where we are knocking the seller. Cody had no dishonest intentions and did have a clear cut return policy.

The guy is thrilled when he gets the coin but not so thrilled now. I saw mention of buyers remorse and think that may be the case. I find it hard to believe that he sent the coin to PCGS and it came back as cleaned MS? Sorry, the cleaned puts it in a body bag now doesn't it? The guy wants his money back. Maybe he's broke like Cody.
Hell, I'm broke too but I haven't contacted the guy I bought my last coin from asking for a refund.

Now as for Cody's dealer backing up the "proof" issue. I hope this isn't the guy that originally sold you the coin Cody. If so he took you for YOUR money on this one. Hope that's not the case.

7 days is 7 days as stated earlier as well. Now, many might say Cody messed up a bit here (no offense Cody) but it happens. If this guy can provide concrete proof of said slabbing inculding good pictures of said coin in slab I might consider refunding him.

If not there were lessons learned on both ends of the deal.

 

I won the coin in a raffle at a show.

 

One way you could raise the money is to sell some of those coins you won at the auction...
http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=30107

As it was posted--you got those cheap, and they are worth some money if they are graded right.
I hate to sell coins as I'm sure you do---but there are times when you have to do what you have to do.

A question---in this raffle at the show--was the coin ID'ed as a proof or did you and the dealer just decide it was one after winning the raffle?

Speedy

 

It was IDed as a proof in the raffle.

 

So far I have seen that Cody has some evidence (or can get it) that this coin is proof. All he has to the contrary is the buyer's word - which includes information which is either dubious or false. Without some other evidence from the buyer, I would say that he missed his chance 5 weeks ago.

 

This is the statement that I agree with 100%. I'm a blue collar worker but when it come's to Ebay, 7 day's are 7 day's. I bid I buy, I look I bid. My choice.


Rhubarb

 

i wish i had a '36 proof dime when i was 14

 

As a new person to coins.. I suppose I would treat this as any other item.

He posted pictures, so the buyer knew what he was getting. I mean it took a few of you guys one look and said, "nope, not a proof". Even the edit in the auction questioning the UNC or Proof was another tip to the buyer. Bottom line the buyer went ahead and purchased it anyways with pictures, the edit, not currently slabbed or professionally graded. The history from the seller was I won it at a coin show and it was raffled as a proof.

Now Cody they are telling you to sell your other coins to refund this guy. DO IT. First of all 14 and in debt = bad. No point in great coins at your age if your carrying debt, life is too short to worry about money especially now at your age.

Now the buyer may be trying to scam you and switch the returned coin.. So be sure to check every detail when it returns before issuing the refund.

Finally I know your $330 in the hole not counting this.. but listen brother.. In the totality of things as you grow up this is a family gas & electric bill amount.. Pay off your debt now while it's low.

You wanna collect something that is priceless and rare. Collect no worthless debt, i.e. credit cards..

 

Something's fishy all around

According to the 2008 Official Redbook a PF-65 is worth $2100 and a MS-63 is $30. After you won the coin in a raffle did you really think you'd won a coin of that value? Didn't you look up the value somewhere to estimate what you'd get for it on Ebay? It makes more sense that you had won a MS coin than a very valueable Proof. Why would you sell a $2100 coin for $250? If the dealer that awarded the coin to you said it was a Proof coin then he was pulling your leg. Many people with a coin of that value would have it graded to authenticate it.
This whole situation is unfortunate. It's also a good lesson. Good luck.

Bruce

 

Bruce, yes i did, because i payed 5 bucks for the raffle ticket. And i sold it for 250, becase i needed the money very bad, and had to sell it. I had the starting bid at 99.99, and just let it run up from there.

 

Cory...
this is getting better as I read this thread.

I would make the buyer produce any and all documentation immeadiatly, like postmarked tommorow, from PCGS before I would nmake another move on this. He should have a yellow copy of his submission form, and along with that, in the upper right corner, there is a PCGS processing number.

I have never had a bodybag coin, so I don't know what they send back with that, but sure someone here can tell you what he must produce to you.

The MS/FB statement from buyer makes this fishy for sure.

 

The PCGS BB's are different from what NGC uses. The NGC BB's just say what the problem is....PCGS also puts either MS or PF on the lable....I'm not totally sure since I couldn't find photos of a BB of a dime if they also put FB or not but I wouldn't see why that would be a big deal...

Here is a link to an ebay item of a PCGS BB....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1875-s-Trade-Do...ryZ11978QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Speedy

 

Cody,

I think cykopat really nailed it here and you know it from one of your earlier posts.

You are way to young to be in debt dude. You like coins and that's cool but at the rate you're going you'll be THOUSANDS in debt by age 21 if not sooner. You have a whole future ahead of you my friend. Don't dig a hole.

I layed off coins for YEARS because I had to pay rent, eat etc. I recently did it again because my wife was unemployed for 8 months. Did it suck? YES. Am I further in debt? NO. I kept ahead of the game by exercising restraint and in today's world where everyone wants to extend credit that takes a lot of willpower.

Before you do ANYTHING else dig yourself out of the hole! Do yardwork for the neighbors, deliver newspapers stop eating at McDonalds. Whatever it takes. You're getting advice a lot of us never had. Been there, done that and never going back.

clembo

 

Thanks for the advice guys, but the two people i owe are very understanding. One, i owe my parents 250 for a new amp for my guitar back in late august, and the other 90 is going to DJ for a coin he wants to return. Im going to get him first, then my parents, then, if it comes to it, this guy.

 

Proof

The dime in the listing does not look like a proof, I dont see full split bands even the diagonal bands look weak. I would arrange a refund you dont want any bad feedback and a refund in my opinion would be the right thing to do. Talk to the buyer maybe you can work it out. Stop by the coin shop and ask to see a proof merc a real one makes you say, Wow!

 

Well if you do end up getting a copy of the PCGS info here is what a bodybagged coin lable looks like when it is returned from PCGS.

Good luck to you -

 

budgood

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