Richard I "Lionheart"

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Mat, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Something I never thought I would own, a coin of Richard "Lionheart".

    Got it very cheap from David L. Tranbarger.

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    Anglo-Gallic, Aquitaine, Richard I Cœur de Lion ("the Lionhearted"), Count of Poitou and Duke of Aquitaine 1172-1185 A.D., King of England 1189-1199 A.D.
    AR denier
    O: + / RICA / RDVS / ω.
    R: +AQVITANIE. Cross pattée.
    Bordeaux mint.
    19mm
    .83g
    Elias 4; Poey D'Avant 2768.

    The coins issued in Richard's French possessions are the only coins to bear his name. In addition to Aquitaine, coins were also struck in his name for Poitou. Richard's English coinage was entirely in the name of his father, Henry II.
     
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  3. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Excellent name recognition on a nice looking coin!
     
  4. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Nice Aquitaine issue! I'm in need of one of these. Have Poitou and England though:
    Med-05a-FPoi-1168-Richard I-D-343A.jpg
    French Feudal, Poitou
    Richard I, r. 1168-1185
    AR Denier, 17mm x 1 grams
    Obv.: +RICARDUS REX, cross patée, annulet in third quarter
    Rev.: PIC / TAVIE / NSIS, written in three parallel lines
    Ref.: AGC 343A (1/a), Duplessy 926, Roberts 3887, SCBC 8008, De Wit 394

    Med-09a-Eng-1189-Richard I-D-3a-London-Ricard-1347.jpg
    England
    Richard I, r. 1189-1199 A.D.
    London Mint, AR Short Cross Penny, 20.06mm x 1.8 grams
    Obv.: [hEN]RICVS R[EX]. Bust facing seven pearled crown with sceptre
    Rev.: +[RIC]ARD . ON . LVN. Short cross voided with quatrefoil in each angle
    Ref.: North 967, SCBC 1347, CC99 R11D-010, De Witt 3193
     
  5. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Nice coins! I love Medieval coinage/ esp. the ones from the Low Countries/Brabant/Flanders/Artois/Tournai....
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Excellent coin @Mat Congratulations!

    Here are my 2 from Poitou. I really like these Anglo-Gallic coins. Some are very difficult to find.

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    Richard I (1189-1199)
    Anglo-Gallic Poitou
    Denier
    (18.67 mm 1.04 g 5h)
    E 8 W 340 a S 8008
    Obv: Cross Pattee + RICARDVS REX
    Annulet in third quarter
    Rev: Inscription in three lines PIC TAVIE NSIS
    Coins and historical medals from the collection formed by the late Revd. Charles Campbell
    Dix Noonan Webb Online Auction September 13, 2017 Lot 163

    Richard I W 343.jpg
    Richard I (1189-1199)
    Anglo-Gallic Poitou
    Denier
    (19.48 mm 1.09 g 1h)
    Elias 8b, W 343a , S 8008
    Obv: Cross Pattee + RICARDVS REX
    Rev: Inscription in three lines” PIC TAVIE NSIS
    Coins and historical medals from the collection formed by the late Revd. Charles Campbell
    Dix Noonan Webb Online Auction September 13, 2017 Lot 163
     
  7. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Nice. I'm glad you finally got one. Here are my Aquataine and Poitou coins of Richard I that you guys have seen before. These are some of my favorite coins.
    Richard I Denar Aquataine mint.jpg Richard I Denar Poitou mint.jpg
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Perhaps we should point out there are coins of Richard I of Normandy, 943 - 996 AD, who was a completely different person. You have to keep your Richard I's straight! His descendants included several English kings.
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Thanks for posting this. I have seen coins of this Richard I before and your post reminds me that I want one.
     
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  10. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    We could also include this Richard as one of his descendants.

    Richard I (of Normandy) - Richard II (N) - Robert I (N) - William II (N) or I (of England) - Henry I (E) - Matilda - Henry II (E&N plus a slew of other places) - Richard III (N) or I of England (This guy)
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Looking at the list of Richard's offspring and counting the generations since then, I suspect most of us are also descended from him. 30-50 generations makes a lot of grandfathers with most of them used several times.
     
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  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Sweet find Mat!
     
  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Yeah, that's a pretty dang sweet snag man...right on.
     
  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Richard the Fearless (Rouen) and Richard the Lionheart (Poitou):
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  15. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    So are there any portrait coins of this Richard I?
     
  16. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    It depends on how you view the short cross pennies of the Angevin empire. Introduced by Henry II in 1180, the short cross coins were minted under his sons, Richard and John, up until Henry III with the legends and portrait style undergoing minor changes. The coins are divided into classes based on style of portrait, lettering, and moneyer, which would then indicate the ruler under whom the coin was minted. Even these classes are open ended, and one of the largest, 4, spans Richard and John. A class 3 of Richard won't look too dissimilar to a class 5 of John, so in my view it's hard to say there really is a portrait coin of either John (ignoring his Irish coins) or Richard since they are based off of highly stylized representation of Henry II.
     
  17. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Congrats @Mat on the new coin of Richard! Nothing beats the feeling of getting a coin thought out of reach.

    It's great to see so many other Coeur de Lions on here, and even a couple Sans Peur. Nice coins everyone!
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  18. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    @alde now you need to get a coin from Issoudun and your are 3/3 for Richard's Anglo-Gallic issues. It might be a tall order, I've never seen one for sale.
     
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  19. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Currently, until mid-April, there is an interesting exhibition in Speyer, RP (Germany) about that Richard from the initial post. The Lionheart and master of self promotion? ;) Anyway, Speyer is the place where Richard was turned over to the HRE emperor who then had him imprisoned in nearby Trifels. This short intro video shows a few coins too; however, I have not seen the exhibition yet. They do have some great exhibits, but I don't know whether coins will actually be shown there. Can tell you next year ...

    Christian

     
  20. alde

    alde Always Learning

    I have been on the lookout for one but have not seen it either. I understand they are quite rare.
     
  21. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    There is also the very rare Cyprus issue from Richard on Crusade which contains a portrait, but it looks like any other Byzantine issue of the time, so i would not call it an actual portrait (having said it's rare, ive seen more of these for sale than i have the Issoudun issue... i believe some 2/3 of all the known issodouns are in museums)

    The large amount of ransom paid for Richard had a numismatic effect in the Empire - since the English coins were of a higher silver content, the short cross issue began being imitated, and I would include having one of these (there are many different types) to round out any collection of Richard I coins (you can tell this is a little side project of mine... waiting on that Aquitaine then the rarer issues...)

    Med-02-GOsn-1236-Konrad I-Pf-1837v.jpg
    German States, Osnabrück
    Bishop Konrad I von Velber, r. 1227-1239 (1236-39)
    AR Pfenning, 17.71 mm x 1 gram
    Obv.: SANCT' PE[T']. Head of St. Peter facing holding key
    Rev.: +CON[RAD]VS EPC'. Voided short cross with quatrefoil in each angle;
    Ref.: De Wit 1837 variety
     
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