1956 wheat back, ?? Reverse ?? help

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  1. Gravedigger

    Gravedigger New Member

    I found this 1956 D wheat back penny the reverse side left stock seems to be quite different. Can't find one on the internet really need some help on this one thanks in advance
     

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  3. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Broken Die. The die at the tip of the wheat stalk broke away - leaving a void (hole) in the die that metal from the planchet flows into during the striking of the coin. The same circumstance you see with BIE errors.
     
  4. lordmarcovan

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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Leaving what is called a Die Break. Inside the loops of letters or numbers it is known as a Die Chip
     
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  6. cpm9ball

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    Since the wheat is raised on the coin, it would be recessed on the die. How could something that isn't there "break away"?

    To me, it looks like the coin took a hit. It's pretty easy to move copper around........PMD.

    Chris
     
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  7. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I could be wrong but enlarging the last photo, I see some damage at the edge of this anomaly so Chris could very well be correct. That, and there is dirt or other debris on the other side that may be hiding more damage.
     
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  8. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    The design elements of a coin exists as a void (hole so to speak) on a die. A piece of a die breaks away it creates more void (hole) in a die. But on further inspection of the images it very well could be shearing of the head of the wheat - PMD.
     
  9. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    Interesting coin. I agree with the die break.

    Keep an eye open for others as all the coins from that die after the break will exhibit this. You might even find the earlier die state with just a crack.
     
  10. cpm9ball

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    If it was a die break it would be raised above the level of the remaining wheat stalk on the coin.

    Chris
     
  11. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Only if the piece broken off creates a void (hole) in the die deeper than the head of wheat void.
     
  12. cpm9ball

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    The field is always the highest point on the surface of the die, and the field completely surrounds the wheat stalk. How can a break on the face of a die fill in a space that isn't there? Think about it!

    Chris
     
  13. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    It would be nice to have two clean images Obverse and Reverse. The stalk tips appear to be at the same height. Leads me to believe the extension tip on the left stalk was caused by a Die break. Regardless I feel @justafarmer nailed it out of the shoot.
     
  14. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    The way I am thinking about it is a piece of the face of the die surrounding the wheat stalk chips/breaks off creating more voided space in the die for the planchet metal to flow into when a coin is struck.
     
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  15. cpm9ball

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    If chips break off the face of the die, coin metal flows into that void causing it to be higher than the field (face).

    Chris
     
  16. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    @justafarmer I think you and I spotted the “tell” on this coin right away. The two wheat stalk tips are actually even as designed. They look like the left side is missing a chunk buts is not. The tip is just an extension. At least that what I see.
     
  17. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Coin metal flows into the void in the die creating a feature that is higher than the field on a struck coin.
     
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  18. RickO

    RickO Active Member

    Chip from the die creating space at tip of wheat stalk....
     
  19. cpm9ball

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    Exactly! That means that the anomaly could not have been produced by a die break. It means that coin metal that formed the wheat stalk had to be scraped or cut away from the coin.

    Chris
     
  20. cpm9ball

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    A chip on the die does not create a space on the coin. It creates a raised area above the field of the coin.

    Chris
     
  21. 352sdeer

    352sdeer Collecting Lincoln cents for 50 years!

    @cpm9ball Chris look closely at the full image and eye ball the tips. What do You see. Look at the relative heights of the features in relation to the matrix of the design.
     
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