Newbie Needs Advice Badly !!!

ok here it is i recently about 8 weeks ago got back about 25 graded washington smooth edge from anacs and left them inside the cardboard box and the plastic long case that hold the slabs it came in ,ok so i place those and the big cardboard box it was mailed in all in my closet and left them in their until last night and when i looked at them about ten slabs had what seems to be water or liquid of some sort inside the slab .. liquid is not on coin but is very close to it ,just on the outer edge of were coin is set in middle of slab... you can see when you squeeze the slab that it is definatley liquid i can only guess from condensation ,if anyone knows is their anything i can do to save or help and is it to late is the damage done ,if its not to late what can and should i do to correct this problem. PLEASE EVERYONE I NEED ADVICE and i THANK YOU all in advance ... wow what a lesson to learn the hard way

 

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Some advice

I would definitely get on the phone with ANACS because I've always been led to believe that these are air-tight holders which is one of the primary benefits of having a coin slabbed so that it doesn't oxidize with the air over time. Now I've never cracked open a holder, but apparently alot of people do to resubmit them for grading. You may want to do this anyways because from my experience you will never realize the same value as you would if your coins were in a pcgs or ngc slab, so it might be worth it to crack them open and resubmit them to ngc or pcgs because although you might have to pay NGC about $350 for grading and shipping you will probably get this back anyways when you go to sell them since from my experience a 65 in a ngc holder will normally bring more than a 65 in an anacs holder. Option 2 is too complain to anacs and demand that they redo the slabbing because unless I'm missing something here these holders are suppose to be air-tight. Also I would suspect that your closet was at room temperature and it may have been possible if you are in the north that these came through frozen weather and when the air came back to room temperature after reaching your home from its transit through cold weather then this might explain something, but this is only a wild guess. good luck

 

Call Anacs Asap!!!!!

 

I would deffinately send them back. But, remember, no slabs are air-tight, nor do they claim to be. And, even if they were, that doesn't prevent coins from naturally oxidizing over time. Just a few points to remember. Hope your coins aren't ruined, and if they are I hope they compensate you for them.
Guy~

 

ok just to make sure i understand ,i must make it clear that when they arrived their was nothing wrong they were all ok ,but its now 6 weeks later that this was discovered and just to let you know i live in NYC and most coins came from south as in florida ,i would say at least 80 % had to come from florida .but are these coins ruined ,or is their hope .please i could use the elders of this hobby whom have much experience to help me out THANK YOU

 

You were led wrong. No slab is air-tight. Coins can and will oxidize over time even in a slab.
I would call ANACS right away and ask to talk to their PR guy---tell him about these and if needed have photos of the slabs uploaded to a website where you could send him to see photos. Then be ready to send the coins back to ANACS for a reslab.

Speedy

 

Well I would suggest trying to do alittle better on storing your coins from now on. Do a search here on CoinTalk for storage.

The place where the coins came from has no input on this case here---I think there is still hope for the coins and maybe there hasn't been any harm done to them yet. The best thing you can do right now is talk to ANACS. Untill you hear and talk with them there is really nothing more I can add.

Speedy

 

I still think there would be hope, but you need to make fast decisions. And I mean fast. I would call Anacs, but I think they are closed already, not sure, but I would be on first thing in the morning. Problem is, tomorrow may be too late, so you might need to crack them out. What part of the slab is the water on, top or bottom? If it's on the bottom, keep it right side up. If it's on the top, turn the slab upside down, to prevent the water to spreading to the coin would be my opinion. Could you take pics of them to show us please? We might be able to help you better off then too. I think there is still hope though. Best of luck man! :thumb:

Phoenix

 

Please upload a pic of the slab with the worst condensation so we can visually see the extent of the problem. This could be as simple as sealing the slabs up with a lot of fresh desiccant and putting them a position such that any condesate will not move down to the coin itself.

ANACS will most likely charge for a reslabbing ($5 each I think), although it never hurts to ask them to do it for free. As mentioned above, for the MS-66's and higher, it may just be money better spent sending it to PCGS.

While I'm not a fan of TPG's, this particular error coin has been counterfeited so much that it probably isn't even worth trying to sell raw.

 

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OK i will get on that(pictures of them) pronto ,i just wanted to add that these were the new anacs presidential slabs which if anyone has seen are not that great imho and the day of arrival was sept. 17 , and one more thing in the same place these coins were stored were many many other coins from the other top tpg's and nothing is wrong with any of those..I really hope i can get it to show up on film because even when looking at it in person you have to look at it from the side on an angle almost as if you were looking at smooth edge coin and when looking straight at coin you sometimes cant see unless you look at angle . none of the condensation seems to be inside the circle were actual coin is but , it is mostly in the outer circle surronding the coin which is very close to coin . so if i were to use desicant and did get moisture out will coin be un effected or is their no way to tell . sorry if I am ramblin its just that I am heartbroken over this. THANK YOU ALL IN ADVANCE

 

Could this be the blueish lines that I see on some of the newer ANACS slabs? It almost looks like an oil slick in the plastic..

 

No Not Blue Line This Is Definatley Liquid Of Some Sort

 

I dont know about the most recent ANACS slabs, but the ones made beginning around 6 months ago up until a month ago just snap together. You can actually pop them apart with a knife and snap them back together. This would have easily allowed condensation to enter and collect into the droplets you are seeing. I think the new slabs as of a month ago are actually ultrasonically sealed just like they were once before and condensations shouldn't collect in those.

 

Very good, that is pretty much exactly what it is. The plastic often carries a slight film of oil known as mold slip. It is a thin oil that is sprayed on the injection molds to keep the plastic from sticking to them. Ideally it should be washed off of the pieces, but that often doesn't happen. NGC slabs are well known for it. when the slab is assembled if the outer cover touches the inner piece of plastic you will often see an "interference pattern " around the contact point caused by the oil film

 

Call ANACS, fill them in on the coins and ask to send send the coins back, and they should make it right free of charge (I'd ask for them to pay for shipping too!)...Mike

 

OK I received a email in response to the one I sent to anacs last night and they responded saying and I quote
" Please don't be concerned. There is no liquid in the holder. What you are seeing is the plastic of the gasket pressing against the plastic of the holder. Your coins are safe in the ANACS holders

so what do you guys think could this be that or is it what CONDER101 said

" The plastic often carries a slight film of oil known as mold slip. It is a thin oil that is sprayed on the injection molds to keep the plastic from sticking to them.

PLEASE I AM REALLY CONFUSED AND COULD USE THE ADVICE AND THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL YOUR HELP

 

In my opinion, Conder is among the most knowledgeable and experienced numismatists that visit this forum and virtually always right, and I believe he is in this case. If you are still concerned, I'd take some good photos of what you're talking about and send them to ANACS and/or calling them directly....Mike

 

cant thank you all enough

Thank you leadfoot and btw nice to meet all you guys , and I cant thank you all enough for taking the time to help me out ,i am really very thankfull

 

Did you have any success with the pics coinster?

Phoenix

 

Coinster, You are welcome. One of the great things about these forums is how willing to help most folks are. Take care...Mike