flan flaw

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Here is a coin that would be nice were it not for the flan flaw.
    ConstantiusSMflanflaw.jpg
    Constantius I, 293-305-306, struck c. 300-303 as Caesar.
    CONSTANTIVS NOB CAES
    SACRA MONET AVGG ET CAESS NOSTR
    ST• for Ticinum mint.
    RIC VI Ticinum 46a, page 286.

    It has a deep cavity, nearly all the way through the flan, at the cheek. On the reverse you can see traces of it on the right arm of Moneta. An odd flan flaw.

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  3. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Still very nice portrait for that type.
     
  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    There is a lot going on with this denarius, but I think the odd shaped flan is appropriate here.

    V1561.jpg Titus Caesar
    AR Denarius, 2.98g
    Antioch Mint, 72-73 AD
    RIC V1561 (C). BMC V516. RSC 122. RPC 1933 ( 14 spec.).
    Obv: T CAES IMP VESP PON TR POT; Bust of Titus, laureate, draped, bearded, r.
    Rev: NEP RED; Neptune stg. l., foot on globe, with acrostolium and sceptre
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.
     
  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    It's a "but other than that" coin....funny you should post this now.. i just bought a Marc Anthony denarius tonite with one on the obverse.. but i got a great deal on it tho:)
     
  6. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That's a pretty interesting flaw... I wonder what happened there. There's a cavity on the figure of Providentia on the Maximianus follis below. Nowhere as deep or as large as on the OP coin.

    Maximianus - Prov Quies.jpg
    MAXIMIANUS, as Senior Augustus
    AE Follis. 10.17g, 29.6mm. Abdication Issue. Aquileia mint, AD 305-306. RIC VI Aquileia 63b (Scarce). O: D N MAXIMIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust right, wearing imperial mantle, holding olive branch and mappa. R: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, receiving olive branch from Quies standing left, holding scepter; S - F in fields, AQS in exergue.
     
  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    I have this copper As of Hadrian and its got places on both sides like that. At 1st i thought it was done purposely but i'm not sure now. hadrian dupondius crispus follis  1st app. of verdi-care 003.JPG hadrian dupondius crispus follis  1st app. of verdi-care 005.JPG
     
  8. Macromius

    Macromius Well-Known Member

    I've gotten some really great deals on coins with casting voids and die cuds. I would not be able to afford some of these coins without their flaws. Many are quite beautiful and I love them. Be thankful the flaw on your Constantius I is not where his eye is. Very nice coin!
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The Titus is doublestruck. Yours may be a flaw or inclusion of iron that rusted out but my Gordian and Gallus are what we term 'nails'.
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    Sasanian silver is on thin flans. I have seen a few I believe were patched for holes before they were struck but have not read of this in the literature. The Khusru II below had a bump before his face and a matching one at the feet of the left attendant on the reverse. I'm sure there are other explanations.
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Flan flaw near Lucilla's mouth:

    Lucilla IVNONI LVCINAE seated Denarius.jpg

    Torn flan from removal of casting sprue:

    Gallienus PAX flan chip.jpg
     
  11. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    If 'flan damage' is a combination of wear, environmental damage (with or without mint strike flaws) I probably have far too many;):p

    But these two examples always come to mind. Of course, without any flaw(s), it probably would've been beyond my budget....

    1000-33-027 Thrace, Byzantion.jpg Caligula sestertius.jpg
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Elongated Shapes:

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    RImp Marc Antony & Octavian AR Quinarius 1.58g Military Mint Gaul 39BCE Concordia r Hands clasped caduceus Cr-529-4b Sear 1575 Syd-1195

    RR Anon AR Didrachm 275-270 BCE ROMANO Apollo-Galloping Horse Obv-Rev Sear23.jpg
    RR Anon AR Didrachm 275-270 BCE ROMANO Apollo-Galloping Horse Sear23
     
  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Open Casting Gate: (no, it is not a sprue :) )

    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55-28g Dioscuri R and L.JPG
    RR AE Aes Grave Sextans 270 BCE 37mm 55.3g Dioscuri R and L

    Aes Grave Sextans Craw 18-5 thickness on edge.jpg
    Aes Grave Sextans Craw 18-5 thickness on edge... Open Casting Gate.
     
  14. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Valentinian, cool coin! Looks like a lamination flaw to me. Do you have a close up pic? You can usually tell from a close up view. From what I can see in the pic the unstuck flan had metal where the hole is now that was not whole with the rest of the flan.
     
  15. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    This Theodora has something disturbing going on internally... see the flaking on the nose, and the larger area destabilized in the reverse field (they're connected through the coin). Maybe a precursor to the OP situation? (Does this indicate a lamination flaw?)

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  16. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

    Here is Gallienus with an eye patch;) Likely a die gouge or crumbing die resulting in the eye patch appearance.
    GallienusAeternitas450xO3_edited-1.jpg GallienusAeternitas450xR3_edited-1.jpg
     
  17. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    This Elagabalus from Mesopotamia has a large cavity in the obverse. It is deeper than it look in the pic, almost punched through to the other side.

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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Meteor impact?
     
  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is a coin with a flan flaw. I still love the coin and will never get rid of it.
    It is also my only coin of Augustus.

    AUG new.jpg
     
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