1787 New Jersey Copper "Camel Head" U/S, Grade consensus please .

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Bedford, Aug 11, 2006.

  1. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    So here is a little guy that I picked up down in Dayton a few weeks ago.

    A nice New Jersey Copper. After doing my research I think I may have got a good deal.
    I didnt even notice the U over S until I got it home.
    This is a Maris 55-M die variety. R4 rarity.

    I picked it up for less than 40$ & Im pretty happy about the out come of the transaction .
    So what do any of you think grade wise ?
     

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  3. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Im thinking VG10 - Possibly F12 , I havent been able to find a pic of another of this variety to compare with to tell if the strike is weak on the obverse. It seems to me that the reverse is stronger than the obverse . Since I have never seen a coin that has wear only on one side ( if it has not been used for something else) I have to presume this to have a bit of weakness.

    Any one out there have an opinion on this strike ?

    The last one of these to be seen at auction was a F12 grade in Oct. of 2000.
     
  4. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    I really have no idea on anything about this coin....but I do know this....its a cool coin!

    Speedy
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I think it is at least a F-12. I would also say that the dies were axially skewed (the die faces were not paralell to each other.). I'm no expert on these but I'd say you probably got a steal.
     
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  6. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Hmmm, Id say that coin might grade an F-10/12 pretty easy.

    B
     
  7. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    Nice coin! Exactly what I want.
     
  8. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Cool coin, and a lot of history for the price.
     
  9. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    Considering the market almost 12 years after this post was made the price has probably doubled , lol.
     
  10. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    Actually, the best I could find at a local show were G - VG for $80-$160. I live in NJ. They must be in higher demand here. $40 wouldnt even get me a cull. Online gives more options but trust becomes more of an issue then. Hope you held onto that one.
     
  11. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    No ,I did not hold onto it . If my memory serves me correctly it was sent to NGC and body bagged due to a planchet defect. I believe I cracked it out again and sold it raw for probably $80-$100 ,but back then I think the variety had a bearing on the price it realized. I don’t dabble in Coloinials much anymore so I’m out of the loop on pricing.
     
  12. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    Bedford, I just looked at 3 pages of ready to buy at your store. Very nice. Saw about 20 items I like very much.
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I'd say it squeaks by as F12. Details, anyway.

    The surfaces look pretty nice overall, aside from that one cratered area at the top right of the shield. But I'm almost inclined to believe that might be a planchet flaw rather than heavy pitting? If that were the result of corrosion/pitting, I'd expect to see more porosity over the rest of the coin, so planchet flaw is my guess there. Which isn't too surprising, really, given the relatively primitive conditions these early state coppers were struck under.

    Interesting repunching of the second "U" in "PLURIBUS". That's a cool feature.

    Nice pickup for the money!

    Edit: aha, I just read further on and realize now this is another resurrected "zombie" thread from the dark and distant past. Good to know I was apparently right about that being a planchet flaw.
     
  14. jafo50

    jafo50 Active Member

    I know that this is a very old thread but can someone tell me if the PVC? damage to this coin will greatly effect its value. I believe it's a Maris Plate 1 #28-S Upper Left Quadrant.

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  15. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    Where are you guys finding these!? All the ones for sale around here have half the shield gone. Sorry about the "zombie" post. I posted in 2 old threads after searching 2 of my fav coins. This and "found another fatty." Site said dont post thread if one already exists. Now it seems I was too literal. Some members earned explatives but I didnt oblige them, i'm sure that rule is literal. I saw OP on this thread was still active before I posted.
     
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  16. jafo50

    jafo50 Active Member

    It was passed down to me from a great uncle. Its been in my collection for at least 45 years maybe longer.
     
  17. gold standard db

    gold standard db Active Member

    I searched camel head 1787 and restarted old thread. It doesnt look like a camel head. My stepfamily had throughbred horses here in NJ and the doofy camel was a nice mix of coin varieties and horses. And colonial to boot. Not sure about any PVC damage.
     
  18. l.cutler

    l.cutler Member

    none of the NJ's in this thread are camel heads. The camel heads are 56-n, 57-n and 58-n.
     
  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I think that the "don't post thread if one already exists" rule had a shorter timespan in mind. After more than a decade has passed, I think it's safe to post a new one. ;)

    But no need for expletives, at you, or from you. Resurrecting a "zombie" thread is not a crime. It's just momentarily confusing to the unwary, is all! :)
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    PS- @Bedford's "GDJMSP likes this" sig line blurb also made me do a double-take for a moment... and then chuckle. :p
     
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