Vespasian/Concordia ??? If so, what ref.? If not, who?

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  1. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    I have this AE2/3 (Follis?) AE21.1mm., 8.69gm., of (who I believe to be) Vespasian, (not Titus), with, (again, who I believe to be), Concordia on the reverse.
    Obv: (I think that I can see) ???VESPASIAN AVG ???, Laureate bust of Vespasian facing left.
    Rev: (I think that I can see) ?????A - AVGVST? Concordia (or Annona) seated left, holding caduceus and patera (in right hand).
    Now I could be way off beam with this because I cannot find any 'references' to support my findings.
    Does anyone have any ideas on this one, please?

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  3. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    I could see it being Vespasian or Titus I guess. Head to the left is pretty cool. No clue about the reverse though.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    With its red-copper tone, laureate bust, 21 mm diameter, and 8.69 g weight, the denomination is an AE as (1/4 of a sestertius and 1/16 of a denarius).

    Given the [...]PASIANVS AVG obverse legend, it has to be Vespasian.

    A patera and cornucopiae are common attributes of Concordia and that's quite likely.

    The problem is that no asses with a CONCORDIA AVGVSTI SC reverse type are listed for Vespasian, though there is a dupondius, RIC 472, which has the legend CONCORDIA AVGVSTI SC and depicts Concordia seated left, holding patera and cornucopiae. The SC is in the exergue on that dupondius; it's hard to tell whether there is an SC below the goddess's chair on your coin. It's clear there isn't an SC in the field.

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    There may be an altar at Concordia's feet on your coin, which would correspond to the reverse of RIC 471, also a dupondius:

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    Since dupondii and asses were the same diameter, it's theoretically possible that this is a mule of an as obverse and dupondius reverse. But that's just speculation.
     
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  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    To me the portrait looks more like Titus than Vespasian, and the spacing of the obverse inscription suggests that it could be "IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M"

    This one, whose photo I copied from Wildwinds, has a similar reverse:
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    Yours is an As, though, not a dupondius. The above coin is RIC 198.
     
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    It would have to be a mule in that case, too, because the only bronzes of this size of Titus in RIC with CONCORDIA AVGVST SC are dupondii, RIC 112 and 167.
     
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  7. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Yes, I agree that it's probably a mule or unofficial.
     
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