1801 half dollar question.

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  1. pcrdnadave

    pcrdnadave Senior Member

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  3. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    I have serious concerns on this one.
    1st. The reverse does not match any known on the 1801. The arrows should extend to the right side of the "N" in United. This one does not.
    2nd. The tip of the wing on the left should be closer to the "D" in United and also be thicker.
    3rd.The stem on the olive branch is way to thick on this example.

    I could go on and on. I would definately stay away from this one. No doubt about it.
     
  4. National dealer

    National dealer New Member

    Here is a scan from the Overton book.
     

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  5. ziggy29

    ziggy29 Senior Member

    The second "1" looks way, way off, even without knowing specific details of varieties; unless there's a specific "narrow/dorky 1" variety, which there isn't, the 1 shouldn't look like that. Based on the picture I'd state with 90% confidence that this is probably fake even before knowing it was a raw Draped Bust coin offered on eBay.

    Raw + draped bust + eBay = very little chance something good will turn out for the buyer.
     
  6. dthigpen

    dthigpen New Member

    Haha.

    Easy answer, it's a horribly doctored 1807.
     
  7. bmontuor

    bmontuor Member

    Absolutely dthigpen!

    The second "1" is slanted too far to the right!

    Bill
     
  8. cdb1950

    cdb1950 Senior Member

    It is a very pretty piece, though.

    ND - How does the reverse compare with the 1807 reverses?
     
  9. pcrdnadave

    pcrdnadave Senior Member

    Not sure about the reverse comparison but the obverse of the 1807's are usually weak in the hair area just like this "1801".


    BTW, Before the Coin World folks joined us I could expect two or three new posts each time I check in. Now I can't even keep with all the posts. I love it. New ideas, new input, constant information I can't live without. Hope it continues this way.
     
  10. cdb1950

    cdb1950 Senior Member

    We are definitely looking at an altered Overton 110 for 1807, OBV 7 / REV F-v2.Sorry about the fuzzy photo, but my Overton book doesn't have the best pictures for photographing.
     

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  11. ziggy29

    ziggy29 Senior Member

    This is so obvious to me now that I want to kick myself for not noticing that. :D
     
  12. cdb1950

    cdb1950 Senior Member

    The seller has posted a revision saying that a bidder informed him the coin is really an 1807 Overton 110 with a weak crosslet on the 7. The auction is still open and bidding is over $800.
     
  13. the_highlander

    the_highlander New Member

    well kinda shows hes being honest, seems an honest mistake.

    i see loads of people every day getting robbed by the china fakes.

    i msg a lot of them warning them, it realy disgusts me some of these people are bidding good money too.And i have to say ANA is at fault here there weak and ineffective in there partnership with ebay.We were promised a fix to all these problems and i know for a fact i could if they let me find and remove at least 80% everyday of all those listed.

    So if one person can do that why cant they.They need a online always manned immediate action email or chat interface.This is all it takes.To me it just looks like there doing nothing at all and are full of hot air.
     
  14. ziggy29

    ziggy29 Senior Member

    At least it appears the coin itself may be authentic now.
     
  15. dthigpen

    dthigpen New Member

    I've seen a lot of draped bust halves, and I've never seen that variety (Mint Made), but I have seen modified 1807s made to resemble 1801s. But who knows, I could be wrong. Other than that, I don't think there was any question that it is a genuine Bust Half, all other diagnostics that can be done by the photos look A-Okay and uniform.
     
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