Finding Find Patina

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Nemo, Nov 1, 2017.

  1. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    It's not uncommon to see a silver coin described as having "find patina." Although this should (I assume) describe a coin that is sold in the condition in which it was found, I find find patina used to describe toning that is probably closer to hundreds than thousands of years old.

    Here are a couple that I think are very special because they may have their original, uncleaned patinas.

    First, a Vespasian with a thick green patina and dirt.

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    And a Leg VI

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    Let's see yours!
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Also called "Hoard Patina", which I am a fan of too.

    Great coins, i've had others but they have been parted with for other interests. Here is one I still have.

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    L. Titurius L.f. Sabinus. (89 B.C.)
    AR Denarius
    O: Bare head of King Tatius right, SABIN downward behind, TA in monogram before;
    R: Two Roman soldiers running left, each bearing a Sabine woman in his arms, L·TITVRI in ex.
    Rome
    19mm
    3.87g
    Crawford 344/1a,RSC I Tituria 2, Sydenham 698a, SRCV I 249
     
  4. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    This is a silver-washed ant., and so may not count... but I'm pretty sure it's as found.

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  5. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    A Pomponius Musa denarius with a similar look to Vespasian in the OP, down to the unremoved deposits. Special and cheap! :D
    RR - Pomponius Musa Terpsichore 254.jpg

    In the vast ocean of shiny-clean, minty-fresh Gordian III ants, this one really sticks out, which is why I love it. Gordian III - Mars 2182.jpg
     
  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very nice!

    Closest I have was this:
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  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    All of these are as found:

    Vitellius denarius-Mars-obv - 1.jpg Vitellius denarius-Mars-rev - 1.jpg Vitellius denarius-libertas-obv - 1.jpg Vitellius denarius-libertas-rev - 1.jpg Gordianus III Sestertius-Obv - 1.jpg Gordianus III Sestertius-Rev - 1.jpg
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I LIKE that 'Find' or 'Hoard' Patina on AR Ancients!

    I had to go through mine a bit, as I really never distinguish coins that way. I go after their Historical relevance... LOL, a bunch of mine may already be that way...

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    RR Gaius Cassius Longinus & P Corn Lentulus Spinther AR den 42 BCE military mint Brutus Cassius Smyrna Libertas r- jug & lituus 18mm 3.3g

    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Crawford 342-2. Sear 248-OFFICIAL.JPG
    RR AR Quinarius 89 BCE M Porcius Cato Crawford 342-2. Sear 248-OFFICIAL

    Marsic Confederation denarius 90-88 BCE Italia-Corfinium Oath Ceremony over pig Sear 227 SCARCE.jpg
    Marsic Confederation denarius 90-88 BCE Italia-Corfinium Oath Ceremony over pig Sear 227 SCARCE

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    RR Anon Ca 240 BCE AR Drachm 16mm 3.0g Rome Helmet Hd Mars r - Horse’s hd sickle Cr 25-2 Syd 25 RSC 34a Rare

    RR Porcius Cato AR Quinarius 89 BC Bacchus Liber Victory S 248 Cr 343-2.jpg
    RR Porcius Cato AR Quinarius 89 BC Bacchus Liber Victory S 248 Cr 343-2

    RR Anon 189-179 BCE AR Den Roma Luna Biga S 69 Cr 158-1 Obv-Rev.jpg
    RR Anon 189-179 BCE AR Den Roma Luna Biga S 69 Cr 158-1

    RR Lentulus 88 BCE AR Den Mars Biga S 254 Cr 345-1.jpg
    RR Lentulus 88 BCE AR Den Mars Biga S 254 Cr 345-1

    RR T Quinctius Flamininus 126 BC AR Den Roma Diosc gallpng T-Q Macedon Shield S 143 Cr 267-1.jpg
    RR T Quinctius Flamininus 126 BC AR Den Roma Diosc gallpng T-Q Macedon Shield S 143 Cr 267-1
     
  9. Voulgaroktonou

    Voulgaroktonou Well-Known Member

    Here are 2 of mine, from the East Harptree hoard discovered in 1887. The hoard, consisting of 1,496 silver coins covering the reigns of Constantine I through Gratian, was published in the 1888 Numismatic Chronicle. All the coins I have seen from this hoard have beautiful dark patina. 2017.26a.JPG
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  10. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    This is how a respected dealer described my coin after having a detailed look at it under magnification...

    "Apparently from a hoard kept sealed and protected from the elements. Rather than over-cleaned with the patina stripped to bare metal as might be expected, this coin appears to be entirely uncleaned. Flow lines remain sharp in the fields. In recessed areas, where the metal has less exposure to air, there are small areas of bright mint fresh copper. A very unusual coin."

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  11. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Since I clean almost all that I get that need it, here are seller pics.
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  12. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    Find patina on tetradrachm of Lysimachos.

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  13. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    I think that only metal detector owners who find ancient coins, should post on this thread. Otherwise, apart from 2 coins no other looks even close , nor can an owner who bought the coin online, claim otherwise.
     
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  14. Lemme Caution

    Lemme Caution Well-Known Member

  15. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Does this count?
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  16. Lemme Caution

    Lemme Caution Well-Known Member

    No matter HOW many times I see coins like this, I am always totally awestruck by the realization of exactly how very OLD these ancient pieces of economic exchange really are; it's simply amazing! :oldman:
     
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  17. Jovian363

    Jovian363 Well-Known Member

    I think find patina on silver coins should have some thickness and roughness - being darker but smooth would only qualify such coins to be called toned, as I suspect is the case with at least some of the examples in this thread. On bronze coins, any untouched natural patina is in a way 'find patina', but I think this term is mostly reserved for silver coins.

    Anyway, I do not know if the term 'find patina' could be applied also to antoniniani, but here are 'after' and 'before' pictures of my recent acquisition. Seller photos. PhilipAfterBefore.jpg '
     
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  18. Lemme Caution

    Lemme Caution Well-Known Member

    Very nice coin, and since it was new to me I immediately researched its origin. One of the interesting things I learned is this: apparently, due to the gradual dilution of the value of the coinage of the time, we can now add this period in ancient Rome's history to the (so-called) hyperinflation roll call, as perhaps more popularly exemplified by the 1930's Weimar Republic and hapless current day Zimbabwe.
     
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  19. Lemme Caution

    Lemme Caution Well-Known Member

    I myself have no dog in this "fight", but I'd be interested to find out what others here think of your "challenge." o_O
     
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  20. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    This Victoriatus has tons of hoard patina and original soil on it. It's only received the lightest of cleaning to highlight the coin's details.

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  21. ValpoBeginner

    ValpoBeginner Well Known Supporter

    Beautiful Looking coin ... Is that colored spot on the bottom right of the obv. original patina too? Wondering how it got that color... perhaps the metal might be different there or it was buried with that side exposed to air.

    Fascinating subject-Patina
     
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