Ebay coin seller whose negatives always get removed?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by coinloverforever, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    And I also agree with this.
     
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  3. Santinidollar

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    Did you have a bad experience with this seller?
     
  4. Virginian

    Virginian Well-Known Member

    When they issue a refund, who pays the return shipping?

    I am assuming that when they refund, you still have to go to the time and trouble to repackage the item, put an address label on it, take it to the post office, and send it back. Right?

    My time and effort are worth something. So I was still out something because of the seller. IMO, it is unethical for eBay to remove legitimate negative and neutral feedback when the seller has still caused me that kind of inconvenience and expense.
     
  5. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Yes, in some cases like the "private listing auctions", "un-searched rolls", fake coins, etc. But a listing will not tell you if a crooked seller engages in shill bidding. Experienced buyers know that eBay can be a mine field, but you have newbie buyers joining eBay every day that get burned by these sellers.
     
  6. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

    SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom Well-Known Member

    sometimes a better indication than a seller's ratings which are generally all around 99+ or 100% anyway is how long they've been on eBay and the number of sales that they have. Now if you happen to Google the names of some of these people who are suspect in the opinions of others, I won't tell you which ones to Google, but you probably can figure out who you should check out. And you also Google the word the words Ripoff Report you'll find that these people sometimes change their eBay names. So besides just looking at the number of sales that they have you might also pay a lot of attention to how long they have been on eBay. Some unscrupulous seller might give themselves a little boost in the beginning by having a schill buy a whole bunch of low ticket items like a couple of thousand sales if you will and then just marking them shipped having paid them using PayPal and just eating the paypal fees and the ebay commissions/fees in exchange for a 100% satisfaction rate and what looks like a solid selling history. I'm not saying that people do this but if my feeble little mind can come up with it one can only imagine what the real Crooks out there might attempt to Hoodwink us with. Otherwise read the descriptions carefully and if they sound too good to be true chances are they might be too good to be true.
     
  7. coinloverforever

    coinloverforever New Member

    I personally have not. Like I said, hes on top of the silver search and I noticed his listings about a month ago because of the flashy pic. I also noticed he had like 99.5% feedback at the time I saw his listing then a day or so later it was up to 99.9%. His listings just seemed to good to be true so I kept up with checking his feedback everyday to see if I should take a shot and that'\s when I noticed this. Its also kind of funny he uses the same account to buy the stuff he sells
     
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  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    No one if they just refund it which often happens on low value items that were oversold they just keep it.

    Shill bidding can't hurt a buyer unless they allow it. Buyers set their own maxes and only they can increase it. Besides at least one of the major auction houses reserves the right to bid in that manner on lots as well but no one ever complains about that there. Either way most eBay sales are BINs now and if they're really that concerned with it sticking to BINs eliminates it 100 percent
     
  9. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Some will sell feedback for 1 cent, it's not necessarily a sign of being shady though. A lot of buyers just won't buy from sellers with low feedback but you have to sell to get feed back so its a catch 22. Others buy stuff to get some ect. If you're a major shop low feedback won't matter as people know the name but sometimes small sellers or individuals have to get a little creative to get that initial feedback
     
  10. aubade21

    aubade21 Well-Known Member

    I really wish buyers had the ability to block sellers the same way sellers can block buyers.
     
  11. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    They do.
     
  12. Virginian

    Virginian Well-Known Member

    If they refund everything without having to ship anything back , , , I still don't think they should delete feedback, but at least that is more arguable. Maybe they should add a special symbol or note to indicate that the seller refunded everything.

    Yep! You can make sure that certain sellers do not show up in your search results. I have done that with several sellers.
     
  13. coinloverforever

    coinloverforever New Member

    More arguable yes, but feedback should never delete. Sellers like this work refunds into their profit margins and when your selling $8 worth of silver for $31, you could have 2 returns for every 3 purchases and still make out. These sellers thrive off of newbies who feel they got a good deal or people who do not know they will inevitably be refunded if they leave a negative.[/QUOTE]
     
  14. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    Seems to be that if enough caught to what is happening then all it would take is more people to give negative feedback and get a refund. He would soon go out of business.
     
  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Feedback gets deleted for more than just refunds. Oddly enough it always seems like the most undeserved negatives from problem buyers are the hardest for people to get rid of
     
  16. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    I want to make sure I understand this. Suppose I buy something, pay with PayPal, and the item arrives quickly. Upon examining the item, I determine that it wasn't even close to what was advertised. So I wait until 55 days after the sale and leave negative feedback. Then the seller can issue a refund and have the sale cancelled, which will make the feedback go away?

    Cal
     
  17. coinloverforever

    coinloverforever New Member

    That is the way everyone is making it seem. If this is indeed the case, eBay is just setting up buyers to get taken by so called "top rated sellers". The bottom line is that in the past three months this guy has had over 200 negatives, but the average buyer does not know that. If you look at this guys feedback he does not allow any of the negatives to go past 30 days. I am not sure if the feedback would still be eligible for removal after 30 days. He's got fresh new negatives already today and even the positive comments are brutal.
     
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  18. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    I wonder what would happen if a buyer cancelled their PayPal account after paying but before leaving negative feedback. Or perhaps cancelled the PayPal account immediately after leaving the negative feedback. No way to do a refund.

    Cal
     
  19. coinloverforever

    coinloverforever New Member

    Then I would guess the negative would stay. I would assume though the people buying from him are not too informed and wouldn't think to do such a thing. I just don't understand how eBay doesn't take notice of this type of thing and ban it from happeneing
     
  20. SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom

    SilverWilliesCoinsdotcom Well-Known Member

    Not to the gullible and or young and or inexperienced buyer. Who who is old enough to remember them never at least hoped or believed or even bought those supposedly magical items from the backs of the comic book ads?
     
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  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Hey...c'mon...those x-ray glasses REALLY work...
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