Big Ptolemy AE 35 - "High Horn" Variety - Sv 1423-V1 (?)

Just got a new big Ptolemy bronze hockey puck in the mail today. I immediately went to the The PtolemAE Project website for help. http://ptolemybronze.com/ptolemy_series.html

There I found what I think is mine:

36mm - 39.4gm
Sv1423v1 - unmarked - Zeus with Ammon horn at top of head, two eagles (their photo below):



It is the "horn at top of head" part I am curious about. Except for the PtolemAE site, I am having a hard time finding other examples of this. Listings on Vcoins, Forum, etc. claiming to be 1423 seem to have normal-placement horns. For instance, here is a sold example from Forvm which looks like a standard horn placement to me (therefore not 1423 as listed):



I checked out a 2015 CT posting where a lot of you posted your Ptolemy bronzes, but I didn't see any 1423 V1 or V2s out there. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/so-i-bought-a-ptolemy.270528/

Am I looking at this wrong? Are there others out there? Mine is 35 mm and weighs 41 grams (I marked the horn in red on the second photo):

 

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Nice beefy bronze. I don't know enough about these to answer your question, but I do have a 42g, 42mm bronze of Ptolemy IV which you can look at and compare.

 

That's a real beauty, Sallent. Nice Zeus on that one.

 

edit- oops...I linked to the site you had already visited

 

I like those big uns @Marsyas Mike

PTOLEMY IV
AE36
OBVERSE: Diademed head of Zeus Ammon right
REVERSE: PTOLEMIAOU BASILEWS, eagle standing left on thunderbolt, looking back at cornucopiae under right wing
Struck at Egypt 221-205 BC
46.4g, 36mm
SNG Cop 221

 

Great coins, all. Zeus-Ammon.
This link goes into a bit of the history of the god.
http://www.livius.org/articles/place/ammon-siwa/ammon-deity/?

 

It's easy to love those chunky 'hockey pucks'!!

I think this is the biggest and heaviest I have---34 mm, 33.7 grams....of Ptolemy III

 

Here is my "puck". Some of these are manhole covers!

Ptolemy IV - 36mm., 34g.

Should I clean this one?

 

I really like the hockey pucks!

My bro has a couple. This is his biggest at 42 mm and about 70g:



Erin

 

Nope - it looks pretty good already!

 

My anvil is 46mm and 93.27g (Ptolemy III, ex Dattari):


I wonder if the o/c strike on yours is just creating an illusion that the horn is higher than it really is.

 

A few of those in your satchel or bag and you'd get a tired shoulder.

 

I wonder if the o/c strike on yours is just creating an illusion that the horn is higher than it really is.[/QUOTE]

I wondered about that too - my photo isn't very good either. But there really does seem to be a "high horn" variety (2 actually - the other one comes out the forehead). The PtolemAE site is pretty clear about this. Mine appears to have a "high horn" - its root (or base) starting quite a bit higher than brow level.

But what do I know? I only got my first one of these a couple months ago and I am pretty far down the learning curve.

High horn or no, I really enjoyed viewing everybody's Egyptian Hockey Pucks!

 

Nice coins all. Would be a pain to lug a bunch of these around to buy groceries!

 

I've got another 65 grammer at the moment...

 

Double Eagle! Well played!




I need to reshoot my double eagle coin...



Ptolemy VI, 180-145 BC, 30 mm, 22.3g

Zues Amon, two eagles on thunderbolt, cornucopia left sng cop 308, svns 1424

My big ol' single eagle pic is pretty sweet!

 

Here are a few examples of Svoronos 1423 clearly showing the 'high horn':
https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=323785
https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=120135
https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=323785

 

Here it goes my cookie!
Ptolemy is huge! Ptolemy first!


Ptolemaic Kingdom, Ptolemy II Philadelphos, 285 - 246 B.C. Bronze drachm, Svoronos 497, 70.056g, 41.1mm, 0o, Sidon (Saida, Lebanon) mint, 267 - 266 B.C.; obverse diademed head of Zeus-Ammon right; reverse PTOLEMAIOU BASILEWS, two eagles standing left on thunderbolt, P between legs of eagle on left.

The two eagles on a thunderbolt symbolize two co-rulers in harmony. This is the first Ptolemaic coin with the two eagles. Ptolemy Nios was the nephew and step-son of Ptolemy II. He was co-regent with his father from 267 BC until 259 B.C. At this time he was removed from his role and probably became ruler of Telmessos in Lycia.

Drachms of this time weigh c. 72 g. Svoronos suggests that the P stands for 17. The Ptolemaic system of dating switched from a dating from the year of Ptolemy II's sole rule, to dating from the year of Ptolemy II's joint reign. Thus year 16 was followed by Year 19. There was not supposed to be a year 17. However, here it is. Is it possible that the change in dating was implemented in Alexandria, later in Sidon?

The other issues of this type include A, B, Delta, E, and Theta. Theta is eight in Sidon, not nine as in other Greek cities. These dates apply to Ptolemy Nios. The drachms have Zeus-Ammon, not simply Zeus, as did previous obols. X is Year 22 of Ptolemy II, equal to Delta. And Theta is paired with ME monogram.

 

Thank you zumbly for finding these - that is very helpful. I don't feel like I am imagining things to such an extent.