Help with 1798 large cent attribution

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by KSorbo, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Here are seller's photos of a 1798 I recently picked up. I'm a bit stumped trying to attribute the Sheldon variety. S-185 seemed close but I'm not sure if the die chip diagnostics line up. I couldn't pass up a cleanly graded 1700's date and I am happy with the coin in hand. A bit of porosity but uniform color and no damage. Any help on variety would be appreciated! Also the "u" in "united" looks like it has something going on with it.

    1798 Obverse.jpg 1798 Reverse.jpg 1798 Slab.jpg
     
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  3. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    That's hot.
     
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  4. CopperGenie

    CopperGenie Om Nom Nom

    I think that's the only time I've ever seen a fraction written on a coin. I like it. :p
     
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  5. aubade21

    aubade21 Well-Known Member

    S-187 On the reverse, check the upper left berry. It's called the "drooping berry" variety due to its unique angle.
     
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  6. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I can see now that the berry is distinctive. But isn't there supposed to be a large obverse right die crack?
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The crack is there but it is faint, can be seen best below the base of the Y.
     
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  8. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The reverse is a rock solid Sheldon DD with the fallen (drooping) berry at C(ENT). The obverse should have the characteristic breaks in the obverse of a late state Obverse 34, but it doesn't. If those breaks haven't been removed post mint through buffing or tooling, then a couple of possibilities occur to me. One, this S-187 was struck before the S-186 and then then paired again afterwards with a later Die state reverse OR the obverse was polished and briefly obscured the die cracks.

    I see nothing die related to believe this is not the 34DD or S-187. The position of the HWH and SHWH below R and E respectively rule out the Obverse 33.

    Edit This appears to show the crack from (C)A to below the final cypher of Die State II. With Conder seeing a trace of the first die crack on the obverse at Y, it is likely simply a die state II S-187 and the misshapen U(N) on the reverse likely PMD or a temporary strike issue.
     
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  9. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    The wear pattern on the coin makes me think that it was struck on a planchet that was porous to begin with, since the worn areas of the devices don't show the same porosity. Could that have obscured the cracks?
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I suppose that's possible since some blanks have been described as pieces of bituminous coal.
     
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