1825 Half Cent C2 - Die State IV?

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  1. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    @Kirkuleez @Pickin and Grinin

    I recall Pickin's 1825 was identified as a C2 State III (R6) by the crack from Star 12 to the rim.

    Just looking for opinions on the state # and the rarity ratings for the different states if anyone knows or has the book handy. Thanks in advance.


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    Star 2
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    Star 12
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  3. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Nice original better date coin!
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I don't have the coin handy but die state III has an extra crack by the 11th or 13th star towards the rim.
     
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  5. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Not sure offhand, but I'll check my references when I get home from work.
     
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  6. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    You circled star six above, star two is the second, clockwise from the date. I can't see if there is a small crack there to determine if it's a state three or four. It is at least three by the telltale crack at star twelve to the rim. Both state three and four are listed as "very rare" by Breen (R-6, 13-30 known). I feel that this is a little generous.
     
  7. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    That feature at Star 12 looks more like repunching than a crack; note the point counterclockwise from it shows a line too. Higher-grade examples at Heritage show this more clearly.
     
  8. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Ah, derp. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll grab a closer image of two to see.
     
  9. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I cropped @Pickin and Grinin 's coin photo and compared with mine. I can post if it's cool with him.

    Didn't think to check Heritage.
     
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  10. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    That's how I try to attribute stuff I lack references or knowledge for - I list prior sales at Heritage indexed by highest grade first, where they're most likely to discuss variety attributes in an extended auction description.

    I'm aware that my thoughts seem to go against "conventional wisdom" with this star anomaly, but it sure looks like repunching similar to many other issues.
     
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  11. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Ok, the *actual* Star 2 and a better one of 12:
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  12. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Both star seven and twelve are repunched; the twelfth more prominently. This is typical of the C2. What I was looking at is the (what appears to be) a faint crack extending from the tip of the lighter twelfth star to the rim. This is a light crack even in high grade examples, so it's really not possible to call it definitively after it gets some pretty good wear from an image. The line coming off of the tip seems longer than it should be if it's just a remnant of the initial star punch.
     
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  13. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Much appreciated, thanks man. Great to learn more about these in general.
     
  14. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Thank you; great explanation and a good reason for a crack to originate. Makes sense.
     
  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I'd be happy to get you some photos posted in a little bit.
     
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