Sextus Pompeius Faustulus Denarius - Too Heavy to Be True?

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  1. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I am conflicted about this coin. It is s Sextus Pompeius Faustulus with Roma/ Wolf, tree, shepherd, birds, Crawford 235/1a.

    Pro: Style seems okay. Edges look okay, with a couple of typical flan irregularities typical of denarii (not cracks exactly, not sure what to call them).

    Con: It is very heavy: 4.48 grams. I looked at all the online examples I could find and around 4.1 grams was the heaviest I encountered. The surface has some pits, could be from a casting, or just old age? No casting dimples (protruding) that I see.

    Not Sure: Weird tone. Sorta like somebody tested it for silver, sloppily and stained it. Not really a "fake patina" effort, I think (unless the faker was pretty inept).

    Any opinions? What would be great (well, not really) is that if it is a fake, then there are other examples from this same mold (I didn't have any luck finding this sort of thing online, but I was probably not looking in the right place). As always, many thanks for help, comments, other examples, etc.

    Roman Rep. Sextus Pompeius Fustulus wolf (1).JPG
    Roman Rep. Sextus Pompeius Fustulus wolf (4).JPG
    Roman REp. Sextus Pompeius Fustlulus edge (1).JPG
    Roman REp. Sextus Pompeius Fustlulus edge (2).JPG
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't like it one bit, sorry. :(
     
  4. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    I'm not very fond of the bicolor tone on it, hence I would stay away
    When you doubt, there's no doubt, that's the motto !

    Q
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Ditto
     
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  6. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    To my eye, there are so many things that look fake about this coin that I can't even begin to enumerate them.

    I, too, was unable to find a similar coin this heavy in the 43 examples that popped up in an ACSEARCH; the heaviest one I found was 4.00g.

    The surface on both the obverse and reverse appears to have mainly two levels of relief that have been smoothed and flattened; this doesn't remotely resemble normal wear due to circulation among the coins I saw on ACSEARCH. The smoothing would get rid of any casting bubbles that may have been present.

    Your third picture (the first one illustrating an edge) appears to show a casting seam.

    I'd be stunned if this coin weren't a forgery.
     
  7. Casting bubbles, soft devices, wrong color, and casting seam on edge.
    I'd say 99% fake. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
     
  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    yup, it rings cast all round.
     
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  9. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Its listed with 2 other types on Ancient Coin Forum as fake:

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  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Personally, in doubt? Without a doubt, it is out!

    Mine:

    RR Sextus Pompeius 137 BCE AR Den She-Wolf Rom Rem S112 Cr 235-1a.jpg
    RR Sextus Pompeius 137 BCE AR Den She-Wolf Rom Rem S112 Cr 235-1a
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I'm a Smith not a Sith so I'm one M past your absolute. 101% fake. :inpain:
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Funny and true
     
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  13. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you all for your help on this. I do appreciate it, even if not what I hoped to hear.
     
  14. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you Andres2 for posting that image - I appreciate it.
     
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