1942 over1 mercury dime

i was wondering how much a 1942 over 1 mercury dime would fetch on ebay this ones about EF using the british grading system

 

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Doug's right. Its only around VF-30....

 

CDN in VF is $560 bid / $620 ask. I have a PCGS VF-30 that has about as much wear as your coin in the picture

 

That's one of my favorite errors. I'm sorry I can't help you with the grade or price, but I just wanted to comment on what a nice coin that is. I like to call that the 194R variety, since the 1 and 2 together look so much the letter R.

 

1) You guys are pretty tougn on the grading.
2) to get the best price you really should get it slabbed.

There are quite a few fake pieces out there, and I would never spend that kind ofmoney for a raw piece.
Good luck.

 

This is the PCGS VF-30, might be a bit better than this after all, VF-35?

 

Compared to that VF-30, I'd go XF.

 

Not to be rude, but I'm quite familiar with the process of overdating. I call it an error because I really don't think that was the intended product. All the other overdates I've seen were not so obvious, but on this one, the 1 is clearly visible. So, it was done intentionally by a careless mint employee, and released to the public by error. To me, anything is an error if it wasn't meant to leave the mint that way. DDOs, DDRs, large die cracks and cuds, etc.

However, putting arrows around the date of the dimes, variety, and covering miss Liberty's surplus exposed skin, variety. I don't think the word variety has any place in error collecting hobby, but it's been used for so long that I'm forced to say 'error/variety' when reffering to certain coins.

 

My understanding is that the accepted definitions are something like "variety" is anything that is on the die itself, thus making multiple identical pieces possible (like any doubled die- they're all accepted to look exactly the same), whereas an "error" is a physical problem with the act of coining, making identical pieces impossible. Like a clipped planchet or a double strike- there's no chance two will be exactly the same.

Clearly, not everyone chooses to make that distinction, such as eBay only having an "Error" catagory but not "Variety", or even here on cointalk where there is an "error forum" but not a "variety forum"... or maybe it's deliberate so that no one talks about varieties!

 

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Not sure where this definition comes from, but it's not consistent with die variety searchers' definition since an overdate is actually considered a class three doubled die.

See the following article by J.T. Stanton:

http://www.coin-gallery.com/cgstanton3.htm

 

I think you may be confused about how the mint makes dies- they stopped punching the dates by hand roughly around 1900. Until 1997, each die received multiple hub impressions to make sure the design was strong enough. If two of those impressions were made with hubs bearing a different date, say first 1941 and then 1942, then it would have the appearance of an overdate.

You say

yet in 1942 there was no way to get a new date "stamped" over an existing one except through an additional hub impression with a hub bearing the new date.

In fact, the 1942/1 dime is listed at CONECA as a class three doubled die, with the designation "1-O-III", which can be found here:

http://www.conecaonline.org/content/mercurydoubleddies.html#_1942

 

The coins CONECA is referring to there both have a population of 2. I do not think that those are the just the standard overdates, but a specific doubling of the over dates.

 

CONECA only lists the populations that have been sent in to them for inspection. This is the standard 1942/1 overdate in the listing that we're talking about.

For example, the famous 1955 Lincoln cent doubled die is listed at CONECA as having a population of 1 (listed here:
http://www.conecaonline.org/content/lincolndoubleddies19501955.html#_1955_3) but I think we can all agree that there are more than one of these known!

 

[FONT=arial, helvetica]Here's an additional bit of info, from the PCGS coin lingo site:

http://www.pcgs.com/lingo.chtml?Letter=R

It occurs to me that perhaps the problem is in the use of the term "overdate". It seems well accepted that the 1942/1 Mercury dime is a class three doubled die (see above links to CONECA and PCGS).

But, is the 1942/1 Mercury dime an overdate? I don't know, and I'm sorry if my calling it that earlier caused this confusion.

Is it the purposeful creation of the die that determines whether it's an overdate? So that if it's not on purpose it's not an overdate?
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