The actual weight of the coin they are listing to sell, not the book weight of the coin when it was minted. Even better when the seller has a photo of the coin on a digital scale. In this era of many fakes being sold, it's the first line of defense to check for. This is a big problem with European silver crowns.
My experience... Me... John, you listed the item as having a weight of 6.77 g. It actually weighs 5.3 g. Did you actually weigh it? Not even close. "John"... I did on my gram scale it was a hair less 6.01 but the weight I quoted was from Krause publishing. I figured the difference was from wear which the coin has. A full uncirculated coin would or should weigh 6.77. But the wear in the coin would make a significant difference ... Me... Interesting. The coin was more than "a hair" under 6.01. It was 5.3. You listed it as 6.77g although you actually did weigh it and acknowledged in your reply that you knew it did not weigh 6.77g. Why not either leave the weight out of the listing or leave the actual weight of the item you have for sale? I never questioned the authenticity of the coin, I am questioning the accuracy of the listing. The item delivered does not match the description. You have clearly acknowledged that in your response. And the loss of close to 1.5g off of a 6.77G coin due to wear is a bit of a stretch. I have some VG Morgans that have a loss of less than 1g and the surface area is much greater. "John"... It could be my scale or yours that off and I'll look into mine but a lot of the South American coins lose a lot of their weight. For example the ship wreck coins 8 reals can weigh as little as 21 grams even though they were struck at 26.9 grams and PCGS , NGC and ANACS still grades them. Standing liberty quarters can lose as much as 2 grams of silver. I shouldn't have posted the weight Krause publishing stated due to the wear. If your not happy with coin I'm more than happy to take it back. I stand by everything I sell. Me.. I give up.
We all know that a badly worn silver coin will have a commensurate weight loss from when it was minted. Where you have a problem is when a XF crown sized coin shows a 2 gram weight loss from mint specifications, big red flag when you see that.
I buy many pre-1900 Italian and Sicilian crowns on Ebay and I weigh every one of them when I receive them. Same thing with those 1700's Spanish 8 reales coins, they have got to be the most faked coin on the planet.
These comments are directed at the seller being quoted, they are not being directed at Muzyck 2 grams? Yeh right. I don't think even a slick would lose 2 grams. The shipwreck coins lost theor weight from corrosion not wear. I know the TPG's may slab them, but they WON'T straight grade them. And they probably won't slab them at all without proof of being from a known shipwreck. Especially one that has lost 5 grams weight. It would be so corroded they probably would not be able to authenticate it otherwise.
I believe even a worn slick SLQ wouldn't be off by a full gram. As for the most faked coins besides the 1700's Spanish 8 Reales, I am going to say a lot of the key date Lincoln cents: 1955 doubled die, 1943 bronze, 1909 S VDB. And maybe the most faked coin in the world: trade dollars. With Morgans right behind them. And gaining.
In the old days coins really circulated. Spanish America 2 Reales 1776 Mexico City mint (Silver, 27mm, 5.66gm) This worn coin weighs 5.66 gm and it weighs 84% of or 1.11 gm less than a new coin at 6.77 gm.
This is the C.A.R. sold to me listed at 6.77. Actual was 5.3. My kindest assumption is that it is a contemporary forgery. I subsequently obtained the same coin (see my avatar) and it has the thickness of a US quarter of the era. The coin in question was less than the thickness of a US dime and that would have been apparent from the weight if the seller actually noted it. I would never have purchased it if listed at 5.3 even with the apparent wear.
Not to muddy the water, but diameter is also another important factor when trying to weed out the many fakes
Are you returning it? He said he would accept a return. You can tell EBay that it's a fake and they will reverse the payment, and allow you to keep the "coin".
Sometimes you need to factor in that mint quality control was not there for some countries in more than a century ago
edited The seller has printed out the mint specifications for his coin when it was freshly minted. And it's good for those buyers who might not have that information.
Yes now the ebay sell says that a standing quarter can lose 2 grams. That 2 reals is close to the same size and weight and it has lost 1.1 grams and shows that much wear. What would it look like after it lost ANOTHER gram in weight? Like I said I don't think even a slick would lose 2 grams.
