nic-a-dated some old Buffs

Andrew, from your harsh words and indirect, anger-laden sarcasm, I get the idea that you have been deceived by the less-than-honest sellers who make their craft on eBay or the like. Either that or you are one of the purists that I mentioned earlier. Again, as I mentioned to Doug, not everyone is 'out to get you', and furthermore, the people who do want to deceive you can always find other methods of doing so. Without dissecting your entire post (which is something you seem to have no problem doing), I'd also like to comment on what I said about educating. I think - and I'm sure you can agree with me on this level - that before anyone starts paying any large sums of money on coins, they should at least view a place like this, or perhaps read into the right book. You can take the 'it's not my problem' path all day long, but that's not what the hobby is about. I'm not quite sure why someone who doesn't believe that is even on a numismatic forum.

Regardless, it seems that mindsets very much like the one I just described are becoming more and more apparent in this hobby of ours, and I for one am not looking forward to the years to come (from a numismatic standpoint, at least).

 

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In this hobby, it's hard to find anyone who hasn't paid to much for a undergraded coin...lol. We've all made bad deals at some point, it's part of earning your dues. The buyer/seller tango is naturally an adversarial relationship. You want to pay the least and get the most and he wants the most money that he can get for his wares.

I never said everyone was out to get anyone but in this free market economy, it's caveat emptor to the 10th degree. I agree that there are many ways to decieve ..that's a given.

You would think that a reasonable person would try to gain some understanding of what they are buying but in reality ..do they? Do you research each and every purchase? or do you buy shiny metal objects because they look cool?

It's not the big money guys that you have to worry about. It's the kids spending their grass cutting money. It's the guy who has an extra $20 left over this month and want's to fill some holes in a series. These are they guys falling prey to the swindlers marketing altered coins.

What do you say to these kids and casual collectors? I'm sorry (sucker) you should have read the book and studied more online ..then you would have known that those buff sare altered. Don't you know what a raised date buff looks like? Better luck next time, go mow some more lawns and try again .....

I don't think so.

 

I think nic-a-dated coins look terrible. But people are curious so it happens. You can probably do it using a SEM (scanning electron microscope) and separate out the metal by density, relative pitting, etc without hurting the coin. But you could pay for a whole set of Buffalos by that time.

 

Wow, I can't tell what andrew289 likes more - sarcasm and bitterness or coin collecting? I'm leaning towards the former...

 

LOL... jocularity, jocularity !!!!!

 

come on guys, why pick a fight over stupid dateles coins? i think it is perfectly ok to restore a date on a buffalo with the date worn off. its already wore down bare, so what more harm can be done? dateless buffalo nickels are worth a quarter at the most, and guess what? they are worth only a quarter after the acid had done its job. i think it is ok until someone tries to sell them for alot of money and not saying its nicked a dated. i'd rather have a coin with an ugly date more than one with a smooth date, wouldn't you? i amit, nic a date does make nickels look ugly, but how much more can you hurt it? if everyone stops being sarcastic all the time, we could actually learn something from this thread. all we are getting to is who is right and wrong. who cares!:headbang: you buy the coin, so do whatever you want to it.

 

^ I agree.

And to everyone arguing:
Stop hijacking my thread! lol

 

Right. But you don't have to leave them looking ugly. At this point I'll say that of the ones I have done it didn't work on all of them. Some are too far gone to begin with. And any amount of chemical will not fix that. Each one comes out different.

 

I soaked all of mine in vinegar and got dates, mint marks and words back...Im happy

 

Well said coinlover. :thumb: Andrew, you seem like a nice guy, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. We have shown there are two sides too the coin (pardon the pun ) Everybody is different, and everybody is entitled to what they want to do with there coins. Hopefully we can let this die, and get back to discussing the original topic. :thumb:

Pheonix

 

I apologize for that. I usually don't hijack threads, but it's hard to let a good discussion pass me by. It reminds me of the stories from the good ol' days of numismatics, when people would sit around in stuffy libraries and dining halls and have heated discussions regarding whatever came up that day during their meetings. Might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I enjoy it.

I admit that andrew's argument was fairly persuasive, but I still fail to see the harm in someone cataloging and preserving a piece of their own private collection. I degress, however. That is a discussion best left to another thread, another day.

 

My apologies too man, like Big H I love a good discussion. Sorry man!

Phoenix

 

Also, I wanted to add, that I hope Andrew did not take my comments personally. This is a coin discussion forum, and that's all that was meant by anything I said. A disagreement based on coins. If this were outside of the 'coin world', I am confident that we would both openly trade and converse, but when there's a coin argument to be had, I for one will not turn it down!

 

Exactly, there is no harm in good old fashion heated debate....when handled by adults.
As long as the foul language, name calling and cuss words are left out, a couple rounds of heated debate is good for all involved. I took nothing personally ... this all in good fun...and intellectual stimulation. I have a thick skin and a stuborn streak that runs deep ....lol.

It's been a pleasure conversing.