England, Edward I

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  1. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A little out of my norm, but this was a type I've wanted for a long time but was never motivated enough to get one til now (was a great price). It has a bit more blue toning than what shows in the pic.

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    England, Edward I
    (1272-1307), Penny, 1.26g., New coinage, class 9a1 (c.1299 to 1300/1), London mint, facing bust of King, star on breast, +EDWAR ANGL DNS HYB, rev., long cross with trefoil of pellets in each angle, CIVITAS LONDON (N.1036/1; S.1407), struck flat in parts, fine.
     
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice example.

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    Edward I (1272 - 1307 A.D)
    AR Penny
    Class 10c
    O: EDW R ANGL DNS HYB, crowned facing bust.
    R: "/CIVI/TAS/CAN/TOR long cross pattée, with trefoil in each quarter.
    Canterbury mint
    1.3g
    19mm
    Spink 1410 North 1040
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    To show how little I know about these (way out of my 'norm'), my Durham mint reverse is upside down. I selected it as a good example of the cross 'ghosting' on the portrait. These thin flans were hard to get struck evenly.
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice catch, not usually my cup of tea but a cool coin!
     
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  6. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Well-Known Member

    @randygeki, Neat coin! I find this to be one of the most interesting series of medieval coins. And you can’t go wrong with a coin that has a device on the breast!

    @dougsmit, I love that Durham! You can clearly see the cross moline mintmark. I don’t know whether or not you already have a ID for it, but from the kings name, the cross moline, the bifoliate crown and the fact that it is from Durham we can narrow it down to just the secondary phase of group 10, or group 11. Looking at the shape of the crown, it definitely isn’t from group 11 or the late subclasses from group 10. The shape of the crown is very similar to that of class 10cf1 and 10cf3, but seeing as the intermediate ornaments are not arrow, but spearhead-shaped, it Is most probably a 10cf1 (although my eyes may just be deceiving me here, and they are perhaps worn arrowheads). The dating would be somewhere around the transition from Edward I to Edward II. 10cf1 makes it a very late Eddy the first, 10cf 3 a very early Ed II. Nice little coin either way!
     
  7. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    @randygeki

    Nice coin.

    For some unintended reason I have ended up with 3 coins of Edward I. The first one is an English coin that I bought for my Historical Figures collection. The other 2 are Anglo Gallic coins. They came in a lot I bought in order to get an Eleanor of Aquitaine. They look similar but one was minted when Edward was heir to the throne, and one when he became king.

    I find myself becoming more an more interested in these fascinating coins.

    England, Plantagenet Kings
    ND AR Penny Edward I 1272-1307 London
    (19.1 mm 1.4 g)
    Class III g, late “S”.
    North 1022 S 1393
    Purchased from H. J. Berk May 15, 2017
    201st Bid or Buy sale lot 516

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    Edward I (as heir to the throne) (1252-1272)
    Anglo-Gallic
    Denier
    ( 19.14 mm 0.92 g 10h)
    E 13, W 11, S 8013
    Obv: lion passant left, EDUARD FILI,
    Rev:. +h regi anglie, cross pattee
    Dix Noonan Webb Online Auction September 13, 2017 Lot 163

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    Edward I as King (1272-1307)
    Anglo-Gallic
    Denier
    (17.87 mm 0.89 g 3h)
    E 15, W 13, S 8015 (R2)
    Obv: lion passant left,EDUUARDUS REX
    Rev: +Crosss Pattee DVX AQVITANIE
    Dix Noonan Webb Online Auction September 13, 2017 Lot 163

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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Wow, nice portrait!
     
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  9. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Your hooked now. Once you start you can't stop.
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    • Thanks. I have long held the opinion that we need not be too dogmatic over our ID systems when we get to the point we need numbers like "10cf1" and rely on arrows vs. spears to separate them. I refuse to believe that the mint blew a whistle when they heard one Edward was replaced by another and made everyone trade in their dies before resuming striking. Of course this is worse when we are dealing with Henrys named John or Parthian kings named Arsakes. I'm fine with the idea of owning a coin that fell from the dies when one Edward had died and the next had not been crowned. Such will never be proved. I don't collect English but have wondered about my Romans. What did the mint do while dies for a new ruler were being prepared? Did they just sit there for an hour or a day? We have no records from Rome that bear on the question.
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well, since they are unintended, ergo, unloved: By all means donate them to the Alegandron Foundation of Wayward Coins, even though they are not in my wheelhouse... :D
     
  12. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Very nice - my only Edward I I bought in my early days of collecting. I think I purchased this particular type because it was the most easily identifiable as being Edward I without getting into small details (the legend starts with a pellet, and that's the giveaway).

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    England
    Edward I, r. 1272-1307 (1279-1307)
    London Mint, AR New Coinage Penny, 20.79mm x 1.4 grams
    Obv.: .✚ ºEDW R' ANGL DNS HyB. Bust facing, full drapery, crown with small nick between dexter jewel and side fleur
    Rev.: ºCIVI | TAS | LON | DON. Long cross quartering outer legends with three pellets in each quarter
    Ref.: North 1026, SCBC 1397, De Witt 3243
     
  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    Sweet score RG!
    I waited a long time to get one of these, and lucked out when I snagged this one!

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  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Thanks all ^_^ and great coins!

    For sure :)
     
  15. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    (You gotta love English 'hammered' silver.)

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  16. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

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  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    So, just say Longshanks
     
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  18. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Going to add a Lincoln mint coin to the mix here:

    Edward I, Kingdom of England
    AR penny
    Obv: EDW R ANGL DNS HYB, crowned and draped facing bust, legend around bust
    Rev: CIVI-TAS LIN-COL, long cross, tri-pellets in angles, legend around cross
    Mint: Lincoln
    Date: 1280-1281
    Ref: SCBI 39 (North), 168; North 1022; SCBC 1393

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  19. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    This one won't win any beauty contests but I had the thrill of personally digging it up from an Essex farm field in November of 2013.

    There is video of the event, but sadly that is pretty useless because the sun had set, and I had forgotten my headlamp back at the barn. So I pinpointed the coin by touch in the darkness and had to stumble across the field to borrow a light from one of the other detectorists to see what I had in my hand. (I nearly startled him out of his shoes when I came up on him in the dark, too - it's lucky I didn't get my skull smashed with a shovel!)

    I was excited, because even in the darkness without a light, I could feel the round shape and how thin it was, so I knew I'd just dug a hammered coin for the first time. What a rush that was, knowing I was the first person in about 700 years to touch that coin!

    1300-1310 Edward I hammered silver penny - Closed E, outcurving h- Cross pattee - Crown 1 - Type 10 cf3 Obv +EDWAR ANGL DNS hYB Rev CIVI/TAS/LON/DON - London mint

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  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Did you have to change your pants... :)
     
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