Can not get it out of my mind, what is it exactly

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  1. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    Hello Friends,

    This coin, 33mm and 21,8 grams, from Philip the Arab, but? from where and what? is it not a Medallion?
    And whom is the goddess?

    Anybody a clue?

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  3. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The reverse hints to a very exceptional coin. Do I read CON in exergue ??
     
  4. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    something like this? is that the same goddess?

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    ROMAN EMPIRE. PROVINCIAL ISSUE OF MOESIA INFERIOR, TOMIS, STRUCK UNDER CARACALLA (AD 198-217)
    Bronze AE 26, 10.30 g., 26 mm.
    Obv. Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right.
    Rev. Triptolemos in flying chariot drawn by snakes, Δ at left.
    AMNG 3054.
    depicting Triptolemus riding his chariot drawn by winged snakes, spreading seeds which Mother Earth, reclining below, prepares to receive.
     
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  5. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

  6. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It is of course Triptolemos, but I am certain the style is Thracian (or close by). I'd have to scan through three volumes of Varbanov to see if it is listed, but I dont have the time. The type (while very rare) was issued from a number of cities (not just Thrace as I suggested).

    You have a rare coin there. Very nice.
     
  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    The deity is more likely to be Demeter. She looks female, and is carrying either two torches or a torch and grain ears.
     
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  8. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Agree. Triptolemos is a male; this is clearly a female deity--probably Demeter/Ceres, who is typically depicted with torches and/or grain ears and sometimes driving a biga of snakes.
     
  9. green18

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  10. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    just woke up, so demeter, philip and thracian.....now i need to look further, Maybe Ken can find it in his books? I have no books about Thracian roman coins, maybe need to buy....
    Thank you all for the time spent !!
     
  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    far more likely -ЄΩΝ
     
  12. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    I'd lean more towards maximinus I and look further east, perhaps Cilicia or Lydia.

    Barry Murphy.
     
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  13. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    BMC has at plate of a similar reverse https://books.google.com/books?id=Mk9mAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA465#v=onepage&q&f=false (#6, Hyrcanis).

    A search on http://isegrim.mybluemix.net/ for obverse type Philip, reverse type Big Snakes yields matches for Magnesia, Hierapolis, and Hyrcanis.

    1. LYDIA, Magnesia. 244-249 AD. AE. Obverse: AYT K M IOYL P'ILIPPOS; PORTRAIT MAN R / PHILIPP (WREATH LAUREL / CLOTHES).Reverse: EPI STR AINIOY B IPPIK MAGNHTWN SI; BIGA SNAKES L(1) / WITH / CHARIOTEER(2) / DEMETER(2) (WING(1) / TORCH LE(2) / TORCH RI(2)).
    1. 35.56mm BMC Lydia p. 152, #83
    2. PHRYGIA, Hierapolis. 244-249 AD. AE. Obverse: AYT K IOYL P'ILIPPOS AYG; PORTRAIT MAN R / PHILIPP (WREATH LAUREL / CLOTHES).Reverse: IERAPOLEITWN; BIGA SNAKES L(1) / WITH / CHARIOTEER(2) / DEMETER(2) (WING(1) / TORCH LE(2) / TORCH RI(2)).
    1. 35mm Imhoof-Blumer, Kleinasiatische Münzen page 242 #36, HANDEL
    2. 35mm Imhoof-Blumer, Kleinasiatische Münzen page 242 #36 SLG WADDINGTON 6172
    3. LYDIA, Hyrcanis. 247-249 AD. AE. Obverse: AY K M IOY P'ILIPPOS; PORTRAIT MAN R / PHILIPP II (WREATH LAUREL / CLOTHES). Reverse: EP ST TO B AY ERMOGENOYS B STEP' YRKANWN MAKED; BIGA SNAKES R(1) / WITH / CHARIOTEER(2) / DEMETER(2) (WING(1) / TORCH LE(2) / TORCH RI(2) / CORN-EARS(2)).
    1. 36.83mm BMC Lydia p. 125, #22
     
  14. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

    Can you give me a picture?
     
  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I think--based upon the Greek inscription in the exergue--it is from Sagalassus in Pisidia or Termessos in Lycia. I believe the exergue reads -CCЄΩΝ, which can only be from these cities and no other. However, this coin was issued after the mint at Termessos closed, so I favor Sagalassus.

    A similar reverse was used by Sagalassus. See this coin at this page.
     
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  16. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    I could be misreading the letter, but I don't see how Philip could have an M in his name that appears above his head in the obverse legend.

    Barry Murphy
     
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